Policewoman who shot black man to teach officers how to "survive such events"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/28/she-fatally-shot-an-unarmed-black-man-now-shes-teaching-other-cops-how-to-survive-such-incidents/?utm_term=.fe8a07f2285f
She calls it “The Ferguson Effect.” Two years after she fatally shot an unarmed black man in Tulsa, Betty Jo Shelby, now a police officer in an adjacent county, is teaching a course
on how to “survive such events” — legally, emotionally and physically.
The course, as she explained it to a local ABC affiliate, equips officers to withstand the effect — named for the Missouri city convulsed by the 2014 shooting of a black teenager —
“when a police officer is victimized by anti-police groups and tried in the court of public opinion.”
Shelby, who is white, was tried last year in a criminal court in Tulsa County. She was acquitted of first-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Terence Crutcher. But the jury
questioned her “judgment as a law enforcement officer.” If less lethal force had been an option, “serious consideration” must be “given to whether she be allowed to return to practicing
law enforcement,” said the jury foreman, in a letter the presiding member asked the court to make public to “placate” the media’s desire to interview members of the jury.
The Tulsa Police Department pulled her from the streets and reassigned her to a desk job, prompting Shelby to resign. “Sitting behind a desk,” she explained in a statement, “is not for
me.” “I did feel like my career was done,” she told Tulsa World of the dispute over the 2016 shooting, which spurred protests and renewed a national debate over race and policing.
Now, a new debate is underway in Tulsa — a city scarred by the 1921 Tulsa Race Riot, a massacre in which white mobs laid waste to a prosperous black neighborhood in one of the
most devastating episodes in the history of American race relations. The debate asks: What can be learned from a police-involved shooting, and who is entitled to do that teaching?
Shelby is poised to bring her state-approved training course, “Surviving the Aftermath of a Critical Incident,” to the city where her own “critical incident” unfolded. Shelby’s scheduled
appearance Tuesday at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office has drawn condemnation from local activists, who argue that the former Tulsa officer should not be imparting advice to
law enforcement — especially not in the community where she killed the 40-year-old motorist and father of four.
Marq Lewis, the founder of the community organizing and government watchdog group, We the People Oklahoma, said the class newly highlights the injustice of the incident, making
the police officer out to be the victim when it was Crutcher who did not survive the encounter, robbing him of any capacity to describe its fallout. A protest Monday outside the county
courthouse condemned Shelby’s planned appearance. Signs urged, “Ban Betty.”
“It’s one more indication that Betty Shelby has been rewarded while Terence Crutcher’s children are suffering still,” Lewis said in an interview with The Washington Post. “They don’t
have anyone going around the state talking about their experiences.”
In a statement to a local ABC affiliate, Shelby defended her qualifications to teach the course, which she said was “not about the shooting,” whose details she claimed not to be
covering.
Fairly yuge article, recommend the whole thing
Our police is fucking embarrassing.
I know we got good cops and all. But fuck me we need a goddamn revamp or fucking something, cause this is complete batshit insanity.
Re reading the story on how he got shot and it leaves me wondering why the police over there don't have any sort of alternative to the taser/spray for non lethal takedown.
If being high on drugs makes someone effectively immune to tasers it sounds like the police need a better way to combat them rather than just "welp better shoot em".
How hard is it to make a portable net gun or similar that impedes movement physically rather than relying on pain?
Do you know how long it would take to assemble and load an ACME net gun?
We should just hire a bunch of Aussies to teach our police forces to use bolas. Or hire old ropers who retire from the rodeo to revive mounted police and lasso all of the bad guys.
This ain't gonna go over well on twitter that's for sure. "moving her to a different county" is on the same level as swapping around those priests that diddled kids to just cover shit up. The fact that an error as egregious as this was just left off the hook and then proceeds to teach classes on how to pull off her lil stunt is astounding.
I don't think it's drugs that stops tasers, tasers mess with the signals the nerves send to the muscles. If just one of the prongs didn't land or make a good connection, it won't do anything.
Either way it's not the most reliable thing, but it still has advantages over other non-lethal weapons.
Well, if a taser doesn't penetrate it will still hurt like hell, but it won't cause involuntary convulsions so anyone with a high pain threshold won't be hindered by it.
Good cops can't fix an inherently shitty institution.
I had an initially somewhat sympathetic opinion of the police officer's case because it's possible that she was being truthful even if I didn't think it was the most plausible answer.
But this shouldn't be happening. She should be under a full criminal investigation for what she did. There is absolutely reason to suspect that she isn't being truthful. She should not be receiving accolades by the government in place of a fucking criminal investigation.
What are you talking about? The article clearly says she was put on trial for manslaughter. She was investigated, charged with a crime, and acquitted by a jury.
How'd you read about her case and not see the part about the criminal investigation she was acquitted on?
"Shelby, who is white, was tried last year in a criminal court in Tulsa County. She was acquitted of first-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Terence Crutcher. But the jury
questioned her “judgment as a law enforcement officer.” If less lethal force had been an option, “serious consideration” must be “given to whether she be allowed to return to practicing
law enforcement,” said the jury foreman, in a letter the presiding member asked the court to make public to “placate” the media’s desire to interview members of the jury.
Jesus Christ. About the only way I can imagine this making any sense is if this is her giving lessons on dealing with the psychological, social and political fallout of fucking up that badly. And even then it's a terrible fucking PR move that they ever allowed it. Even if she was acquitted, she should've been drummed out of the force, set up with a couple of psychiatrists and swept under the proverbial rug. Instead they pull this shit.
Feels like cops in the States are little better than any low-life street gang in some places.
You're absolutely right. I didn't properly assess the article and assumed this was referring to a completely different incident.
Completely my bad.
US police administration is very decentralized, and any federal oversight would be met with the usual big government, states' rights screeching.
Lesson one: if it's Brown, shoot.
End of class
“when a police officer is victimized by anti-police groups and tried in the court of public opinion.”
Poor them, they shot an unarmed kid and are given a slap on the wrist and a free paid vacation.
Basically just this:
https://i.imgflip.com/1yohw0.jpg
The problem is in America police have to assume that every criminal is armed with a gun, and therefore respond with equal force. Guns are a last resort in most other countries, and in some places police officers don't even carry firearms on routine patrol.
Simply disgraceful.
There are multiple non lethal takedowns available on the market but it comes down to if the department has the budget to afford these options and if proper training is distributed along side of the new equipment. Of course all methods are fallible in some way. Whether it be a equipment malfunction, slow reaction time on the officers part, or lack of equipment to properly access the situation. Not to mention one county can have completely different standards for dealing with a certain situation than the neighboring counties.
Here's a video from Donut Operator a former police officer who goes over most internet outlashes against police shootings, sovereign citizen stops, and basically everything but the kitchen sink regarding police body cam footage. He is particularly unbiased overall, but if the outlash is wrongfully raised then he will call people out for it. But he does call up bad cops from time to time because once again not every cop is perfect.
Regardless to the background around him heres a video where he goes over five scenarios where non lethal was employed and worked, employed and didn't work, wasn't employed and should have, or the scenario of a department not having the non lethal takedown equipment. It can be a bit disturbing to watch but it really shows the mindset that different departments can have. Mainly because not every cop is necessarily a shoot first and ask questions later kind of person.
https://youtu.be/8tIsoEMNjSg
To the content in the op: Jeez how can one woman be so downright disgusting though?
gogo gadget net Panzerfaust
https://youtu.be/r1JXhSYfLNE
Or instead of my bola idea, we should train with sasumatas!
Beanbag shotguns are used pretty often with mixed success, and 40mm launchers with beanbag shells, which are pretty reliable but expensive and heavy.
The main issue is one of cost, weight and size, as well as training. Also, carrying a large item like that tends to get "militarised police" yelled out and such.
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