this is what hard borders means people, locking everything up in a concentration camp for children
I dunno what good is coming from this situation. A lot of kids are suffering. If, for some reason, that doesn't phase a person, then there is also the issue of cost. This seems really awful, right?
I think it's intentionally awful. Those perpetuating it may want suffering in their policy as some sort of message / detterant.
I'm pretty sure the MAGA types still think it means the literal Great Wall of Trump that is never actually happening. However, they most certainly have no issue whatsoever with locking as many non-white people up as possible as long as the wall is not built.
ya you wish you could march a line of these kids straight through his rally to show them what they are doing, or better yet, force these people to march into the camps and see the human suffering they endorse.
Nice oversimplification and nearly exclusive to the American border.
If I've learned anything from die-hard Trump supporters, they would find some way to blame the children for their situation.
code red everyone Boilrig is offended
this is not a drill
You either have a have border or you don't have a border at all. Detention of those crossing a border, nothing new, message me when the next GFC hits and the US begins to shoot anything that crosses that line that isn't welcome.
You don't need to think it is - it is intentionally awful. The entire purpose of the thing is to be so inefficient that nobody can legally get in, meanwhile visiting such horrors on those who even dare it to send a message to those who'd consider seeking asylum here that 'we are worse than wherever you're coming from'.
No joke, that's literally the intent. There were strategy meetings about this.
The Times reports that Trump officials began discussing the division of immigrant families at the border soon after taking office, and that the Department of Homeland Security even did some trial runs separating children from their parents last summer in Texas. Implementing the border separation policy has always been part of their plan, it just took a little longer than people like Stephen Miller had hoped.
Source: Separating Immigrant Families at Border Was Always the Plan
For the past two months, a handful of immigration hawks from across the government have assembled in Stephen Miller’s West Wing office on a weekly basis to chart the course of the Trump administration’s immigration policy.
Led by Miller, President Donald Trump’s senior policy adviser and the architect of his hard-line approach to immigration, the meetings have replaced the usual interagency process involving key agency officials and remained largely out of view to the rest of the administration.
The gatherings, described by a half-dozen administration officials and Republicans close to the administration, have taken shape over time, from loosely structured meetings and conference calls among like-minded officials early in the administration to more formal meetings in recent months. And they have produced the president’s two most controversial policies — the January 2017 travel ban, which the Supreme Court let stand Tuesday, and the more recent decision to send adults caught crossing the border illegally for criminal prosecution, which resulted in thousands of children being separated from their parents and warehoused in government shelters.
The secretive nature of the effort was born of Miller’s assumption that hostile bureaucrats would try to undermine the administration’s aggressive policies before they got off the ground, by leaking to the news media or pushing alternative proposals to senior officials.
Source: Stephen Miller roiling nation with back
You are faced with hard evidence that detention has never been this high and yet you claim it's always been this high
Did you eat glue when you were young or were you always this stupid ?
Oh, they're dealing with the cost. By taking from other cash-strapped federal agencies' budgets, like FEMA. Good thing all the natural disasters happened last year and Trump negotiated with God that 2018 will be a 'bye' year. Nobody look at the Carolinas, nothing to see here.
Hostile bureaucrats, or you know anyone who still has a soul in their body and not a strange evil glowing rock that fell from space in their chest where their heart should be.
You don't get to fucking talk.
I'll posit an argument from another angle: The GOP does not actually care about stopping illegal immigration because they refuse to go after the core causes of illegal immigration, and will therefore never meaningfully reduce the number of individuals illegally crossing the border.
We've heard, for decades now, the tale of companies paying unregistered immigrants below minimum wages for the jobs they do, and being able to do it because they are not US citizens. Have you ever once heard about one of these companies getting fined, or being punished in any way for the repeated use of illegal labor which is not a slap on the wrist? I sure as shit haven't, and thus they keep paying the immigrants, which keeps the immigrants coming, etc. and so on. But you see, the companies want illegal immigration of this type because it means that they can get labor which is cheaper than what they'd normally be able to get from the citizens of this country, and since the Republicans will never do anything which hurts the business prospects of the corporations, they will never enact meaningful regulations which punish them for using illegal labor. This is fine and dandy for the republicans though- They'd lose one of their major wedge issues if they actually did something about illegal immigration.
So instead, they focus on fluff solutions which will have no actual effect in the long run. They posit walls and politics of sadism, so that their base can feel vindicated that the bad illegal people are locked up indefinitely in internment camps. Who cares if it doesn't work because you haven't actually removed the things which incentivize illegally crossing the borders, you can just blame it on the democrats and sanctuary cities and be done with it! The perfect criiiime.
Republican politicians are scum.
How about lawful asylum seekers being illegally detained and not having their demand processed because border security doesn't discriminate who goes in those camps? How about all of these immigrants' right to human dignity being violated because of draconian measures meant to terrorize innocent people? Just acceptable collateral damage I guess?
Does information that you don’t like just morph into whatever you need it to be?
Youre pathologically dishonest
you literally live on an island
don't we all?
How long until the Republicans start talking about the final solution? It's inevitable at this rate, denying the genocide precursors is immoral.
I wouldn't stretch that far... but then again I wouldn't have stretched to say we'd start putting kids in concentration camps, either
People are still alive that were in the interment camps, in that Supreme Court case that authorized Trump's travel ban, a dissenting justice likened it to the case that authorized said interment camps, which they
did because FDR's solicitor general suppressed a report that there was no evidence Japanese immigrants or their children were spies.
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