This is not the way to go about killing off religion.
to be honest at this point I kind of lost most of my respects for China
republican outrage over China using concentration camps to suppress religion in 3...2...1...
oh wait islam, so we won't see Trump rallying against that.
As far as I know the Uighurs have been very peaceful and have done nothing to oppose the government in the past. This is fucking awful.
Talked to a family of Uyghurs earlier this summer and learned of their situation in China. The things they have to endure is downright despicable.
i've been rewatching the documentary series 'wild china' recently. it's such a beautiful place with an immensely rich history that all went down hill ever since mao zedong.
Is there any hope for a change in government in China before it's too late?
I would argue since the opium wars.
I fear its a russia situation where the leading party is able to rule indefinitely and use fear to squash opposition to make sure they do.
its not even fear there's so much indifference to challenging the government because things are doing well. (sound familiar?) like back in the late 80s when things weren't nearly as good people did lash out but obviously they've gotten both a lot better at shutting down discourse and educating people to be indifferent to the government
Damn, China, do you want terrorists? Because this is how you get terrorists.
And the west will do nothing while China do shit like this, strip away the rights of Hong Kong citizens and put African countries in debt traps so they can get cheap labor and steal their resources cause cheap iPhones are more important.
I went to a non-denominational christian school and I'm pretty sure it's the reason I'm an atheist, so I think putting muslims in camps to force them to be atheists is going to leave China with a radical islamic terrorism problem within 10 years
Or they will get arrested due to the intrusive face recognition
Can't have terrorists if you genocide them out of existence first.
I'd use the tapping forhead image but I get the feeling it would be banned in China.
So China doing what China has always done? Sinicization Is how China got so large and successful, it homogenized its culture and created a strong stable kingdom until the lords got bored and decided to split up the country and kill each other for funsies.
I'm not saying it's right I'm saying this is to be expected.
Or maybe just don't commit religious genocide
"They're not concentration camps! They're terrorist training camps set up by the Muslims!" - Donald Trump.
It's already far past too late for China. Even some aspects of 1984 pale in comparison to what China does.
If Chinese history interests you, I would strongly recommend you watch Tie Xi Qu.
What is the better way then?
Worth noting that in 1984 the lower classes live relatively free, if not particularly noteworthy lives, and it's the middle classes that the party monitors and oppress since they are educated and are in their eyes the biggest threat to the party. In modern day China it's the lower classes that suffer while middle class Han-Chinese live relatively decent lives as long as they don't call Xi Jingping a Poh Bear or something.
I don't know that he was necessarily saying we should kill off religion, just that if that's their goal, reason and science are better methods.
How long until we get a trump tweet implying this is a good idea?
Religion is not inherently bad and there will never ever be a time in history when it is "killed off".
Religion is inherently bad but considering it's probably human nature to be gullible then i agree witb your second point.
That's a bit of a stretch, historically I think there has been a particularly popular sentiment for breaking away since around the turn of the twentieth century. Xinjiang province was really sort of a hot bed of trouble in that time, constantly finding itself torn from internal strife, and this is to say nothing of the power plays from other foreign powers in the area. On top of this you had various massacres of religious, cultural, and political groups. Of course, that's all old history, and the rest of China certainly wasn't a shining example at the time either.
As for today, there is certainly an Independence sentiment (although I couldn't tell you for certain how popular it is now), which isn't inherently wrong.On the other hand though, you have the Turkistan Islamic Party who pretty much follows the same path, and likely has links to groups like Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Terrorism is a concern, and attacks do occur.
Just to make it clear I am not supporting the mass detainment, and mistreatment of Uyghur peoples. I just want to make it clear that there is a loud, hostile minority of Islamic extremists in the Uyghur community.
I think it's a similar situation with the whole U.S. efforts against Islamic terrorism, albeit much more extreme. The Chinese state sees Uyghur independence, and the extremist minority within this movement as a threat, they respond heavy handedly, innocents find themselves caught up in it, and in turn even more people are galvanized into a Jihadist lifestyle. It seems like a tale as old as time at this point.
Of course, I'm not entirely surprised, this is the Chinese state we are talking about. People also tend to forget they do share a border with Afghanistan and Pakistan, so they do have to deal with spillover instability. Of course, locking upwards of a million people up in a discriminatory stroke, and subjecting them to some Neo-Maoist treatment isn't the answer.
Whats so bad about beliefs in afterlife?
An unfounded belief in one thing opens you up to believing in other unfounded things, also for the same bad reasons.
Beliefs inform your actions, they don't exist in a vacuum where nothing ever interacts with them.
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