• Russia’s secret plan to help Julian Assange escape from UK
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/21/julian-assange-russia-ecuador-embassy-london-secret-escape-plan Russian diplomats held secret talks in London last year with people close to Julian Assange to assess whether they could help him flee the UK, the Guardian has learned.A tentative plan was devised that would have seen the WikiLeaks founder smuggled out of Ecuador’s London embassy in a diplomatic vehicle and transported to another country.One ultimate destination, multiple sources have said, was Russia, where Assange would not be at risk of extradition to the US. The plan was abandoned after it was deemed too risky.
I hope they kick him out soon
This is massive news! FP seems rather dead today, presumably because people have 'lives', but I hope that maybe more details can be ironed out, as it could make the case for even great sanctions on Russia.
Do we not like Julian anymore or what? I haven't been keeping up with him.
He was complicit in Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 elections.
How did WikiLeaks play into the election besides "le emails!!!!!!!", again? It's been a long time since I've conducted any of my own research into the matter.
Well, is it that you're angry that he leaked hillary's shitty, sociopathic emails? If so, then he showed you the truth, which i for one do not understand being angry about.
y'all know the UN has ruled assange to be arbitrarily detained, a human rights abuse, right?
It's been awhile for me too, so my memory might be hazy. What I heard was that wikileaks had access both to Democrat and Republican emails and specifically limited the leak to Democrat emails to give the Republicans an advantage. Feel free to correct me if I'm talking out of my ass.
I'm more irritable about what he doesn't release at this point rather than what he does release. That and his organization throws its support behind another sociopath anyways. A whistleblowing organization singing the praises of an executive branch it helped create doesn't really give me confidence that they're for transparency, it convinces me that they've got an agenda.
that would be one thing, but A) they pointedly chose not to also leak Republican emails, and B), what you see here: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/831468455413030912 Flynn was forced to resign because of leaks, in case you forgot.
the leaks barely had an effect on the election.
I mean, what makes you say that? Seemed like there was a pretty big hubub about it.
the democrats played like shit during them. extremely poor campaigning, they completely let their guard down around trump. no real attempts to address people who are dissatisfied but might live out in the flyover bits of the country. if clinton didn't literally have the entire democrat establishment behind her, she wouldn't have made it through the primaries. all the leaks did was damage her already broken reputation.
Goes deeper than that, Wikileaks also didn't publish leaked Russian documents and initiated social media campaigns that concidently promoted Russian influence and agendas. You don't have to look very hard to see they've basically become a cutout for the GRU.
He's not detained though, he's hiding. He'll be detained when he stops hiding, and that would have been wrong. Now that he's wrapped himself up in anti-western espionage he actually could be detained though. The difference between then and now is that back then he appeared to be showing us the truth and fighting for us, and now he's playing politics and using his position and website as a tool to steer political discourse in his favor.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/04/julian-assange-wikileaks-arrest-friday-un-investigation a UN panel on arbitrary detention decided it counts as detention.
Wouldn't arbitrary detention require that he be denied due process? 'Cause as far as I'm aware, he isn't being denied due process, he's just refusing to submit to it.
i would take that up with the UN
Where have you been? it's been clear that he's a man who's utterly sold out everything he ever claimed to stand for a while now.
Why would you bother pretending that "we" don't like Assange anymore or that you haven't been keeping up with him then speak for his defense? I don't think anyone is angry at Assange. Not anymore, at least. I think they are disappointed that a supposed whistleblower is just a political operative working with a tinpot dictatorship to hurt America's economy. Trump didn't beat Clinton because Republican turnout was super high, he won because Democrat turnout was massively less than it was for Obama. When you take into account Putting aside this is from 2016 when Sweden still had charges pressed against him, he article neglects to link to the actual statement by the UN but on it's face it's nonsense. Fleeing into diplomatic asylum to avoid charges isn't "arbitrary detention". It becomes even more ridiculous when you read the actual UN stance on arbitrary detention. Article 9 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights decrees that "no one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile";[5] that is, no individual, regardless of circumstances, is to be deprived of their liberty or exiled from their country without having first committed an actual criminal offense against a legal statute, and the government cannot deprive an individual of their liberty without proper due process of law.
I get it you referring Jill Stein voters are still dumbly treating their only third party "tipped scales" for Trump favor despite Gary Johnson and Evan McMillan voters did even more "taken" both votes from Major two parties from other states than she is.
they were instrumental to russia's meddling in the 2016 election, passing stolen documents from russia to us political groups as well as disseminating them theirselves.
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The UN and its human rights panel is a joke and a wankfest of international politics, its not really relevant.
What Assange stands for is heroic. I do not believe Assange is in any way heroic.
What people thought Assange stood for was heroic. What Assange actually stands for, and what he is, is quite the opposite.
Eeh, seems to me like that entirely glosses over the fact that there were crucial, incriminating secrets about a candidate for election that could hurt her were they released. I mean, i want to feed trump poison-granola as much as the next guy, but why the fuck did the democrats run the creepy bat-lizard mutant candidate and not the guy who was popular? (the reason was money, so fuck em')
Paging @Saint Furrybutt to elucidate me as to why it's bad for Democrats to play dirty to keep progressive candidates from pushing the party to the left but it's not only good but heroic that Julian Assange was complicit with the Russian government over hacking and leaking emails while also remaining in contact with the campaign team for the Republican nominee and downplaying any Republican leaks.
the UN is fucking stupid tbqh
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