How this wasn't always a thing is beyond me, if someone leaves a tip for the waiter/waitress, it's for them.
We already did
https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.htm
Tips are the property of the employee. The employer is prohibited from using an employee’s tips for any reason other than as a credit against its minimum wage obligation to the employee (“tip credit”) or in furtherance of a valid tip pool. Only tips actually received by the employee may be counted in determining whether the employee is a tipped employee and in applying the tip credit.
The requirement that an employee must retain all tips does not preclude a valid tip pooling or sharing arrangement among employees who customarily and regularly receive tips, such as waiters, waitresses, bellhops, counter personnel (who serve customers), bussers, and service bartenders. A valid tip pool may not include employees who do not customarily and regularly received tips, such as dishwashers, cooks, chefs, and janitors.
Illegal for management to take a cut. If you had a manger that did that, they were breaking the law
I wonder if it will target "concessionary surcharge" (aka restaurant charges you 10% extra and pockets it) too. I think because it's concessionary it's taxed differently too (not sure on this point though)
Hospitality can be pretty sinister, like they use KPIs to see how people are performing (or to uncover fraud) but a common KPI is when servers have removed concessionary service charge. So someone requesting surcharge removal reflects badly on the server so it creates conflict between the server and the diner.
I made some software a while back, was working to a spec but part of that was something which enabled zero hour contracts, I felt dirty frankly, but the rationalisation by the devs is we need it to compete and then it's up to the restaurant how they use it, but then the restaurant will just say the same thing "we have to do this to compete", so we just pushed the moral responsibility down the line to someone we knew would make the wrong choice.
Something else which was discussed was building profiles on diners then using their wifi connections to track them and send them promos - creepy shit.
I feel like lots of the worst things we do (like automating people out of jobs, pollution, spying on customers, zero hour contracts, health and safety violations, outsourcing to slave labour in china) is rationalised away by everyone involved, it's always someone else to blame, pushing responsibility down the line (or up the line like when I pushed responsibility to my boss because I didn't want to lose my job). It's rotten. It's why we need government intervention to stop bad shit. Companies are always trying cut fat to compete, if they don't compete they fail, they'll do bad shit because all it takes is 1 person to fail somewhere on the line.
It's like a "tragedy of commons thing". Everyone is cutting corners and doing bad shit but the first people to stop doing it risks missing out (like the farmer who stops grazing the field). So everyone keeps doing bad shit and cutting corners (grazing the field) till tragedy occurs, for the farmers is the common no longer supporting grazing, for us it's consumers no longer having income enough to support the economy because wages have gone down and jobs have been sent abroad to the lowest bidder.
Yeah but somehow it's still legal to reduce your pay to less than minimum wage because "your tips will cover the rest".
It's basically removing the entire point of the fucking tip.
Tips are no longer tips, they are functionally part of your wage and you rely on them to make up the rest of your pay if you work these sort of jobs
Yeah but that's a different thing than what the article is about.
Some waitstaff are pro-tip credit because they can make more in a good weekend in tips than they can getting paid hourly. Then again, those that get the shitty shifts will make minimum wage.
wtf, so the employer doesnt have to pay them minimum wage if they are getting tips to make up the difference?
Yeah basically. A waiter can get paid like, $3/hr. If the total tips they make divided by the hours they work is greater than or equal to minimum wage, then that's what they make. If it's less than minimum wage, the employer has to pay the difference. It's a fucked up system, and it leads to a certain dining culture in America which is distinct from non-tipping cultures. It changes how you eat at a restaurant. Personally I prefer how restaurants are in America, but I'd like to see tipped workers paid a fair wage as well
we must stop something like this... from happening again in the US as well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKfeQ8JNS38
Well it's actually related since it basically does the same thing.
My family is in the restaurant business. One of the inherent issues with getting rid of tips or even getting rid of the tipping wage is that people are unwilling to factor the service cost into food prices. People are far more willing to tip than pay more for their food. I think it does need an overhaul, but unless people are willing to pay a higher face value for their food (they aren't), the current system is sticking.
There's a major psychological aspect that people always forget about. Most people are much more willing to buy two $20 dishes then tip $6 than buy two $23 dishes. You aren't thinking about the tips when you're looking at the menu while walking down the street. You're looking at food prices. It also introduces an even larger disparity between sit-down dinner and over the counter food. If normal restaurants were to factor the tip into their food prices, there'd be an even larger disparity between food prices between full-service and over the counter locations. This makes competing even harder as people feel it's more expensive (despite the fact they're paying the same amount)
Also, people always seem to forget that (at least in the US where tipping is standard), most states have laws in place that say if the employee doesn't make at least the equivalent to minimum wage, the employers have to cover the difference. You could say that they should make at least normal minimum wage, but then food costs would rise. People would also end up tipping less which could hurt the server in the long run.
You either need a complete societal shift, or things are staying as they are. The brain being dumb just makes the in-between not possible.
What exactly do you mean
Apparently in Europe, you can go to a restaurant, order dinner, chat with your friends, finish eating dinner, order a coffee or a beer or something, and just kind of sit at the table for a few hours hanging out, even if you're not buying anything.
In America, the waiter/waitress is bringing you the check/hovering over your table waiting for you to finish basically as soon as you're done. They want you out to get more tips.
Personally, I prefer the quick service and not to hang around in the restaurant.
I worked as a waiter in Bristol a few years ago. The bosses took all of our tips, and the worst part is that we were required to lie to the customers if they asked who the tips went to (as in, they were asking if the tips went to us, and we wre required to lie and say yes). Good thing theyre putting a stop to that shit.
Yeah you can do that in the UK at most places, unless it's really busy
In my experience American waiters are way more chatty but I don't know if that's just a cultural difference or if it's because they need tips? British waiters generally don't say shit to you beyond taking your orders and stuff
Why do you prefer having less freedom on what to do at the restaurant?
I feel like this is more of a customer thing. Unless you're being served by a nervous student or something if you initiate convo with them you can have a decent chat. Barring if it's a busy night of course.
That's fucking awful. I don't go to the restaurant to be pressured into finishing my meal quickly. I'm here to enjoy some time with friends ot family, not to quickly shove food into my mouth thoughtlessly so that the waiter can get paid above minimum wage despite shitty worker's rights. How do you even enjoy your meal if you can't take the time to savour it?
I don't understand what the fuck you prefer about this. If you want quick service, just order fast food. You won't tell the difference if you have to eat either on the clock anyway.
1. No shit having full service restaraunts lower their food prices by stealing their employees money is going to be profitable. How does this make it right somehow? Am I supposed to feel bad for the poor business owner just trying to make more money by screwing its workers?
2. When I go to a full service restaraunt I know I'm going to be paying more than if I go to a fast food joint like Mcdonalds. Full service trying to compete with fast food isn't an excuse.
3. Businesses having to cover the cost if tips don't cover their wage is irrelevant. Tips are supposed to be a gift for good service, and businesses carefully keeping track of your tips and not paying you as much if you get them is fucking garbage.
I've never even worked as someone that relies on tips and it pisses me off how corporatized tips have become in the US.
You realize you're allowed to leave whenever you want right? The "European way" just gives you the freedom to stay. Your logic makes no sense.
idunno what busy as fuck restaurants you go to but that is definitely not the norm for american restaurants
Not really?
Most restaurants have free wi-fi so you'll chill out there and order more stuff. I think you're letting anecdotal experiences create a misinformed idea of something.
I don't want to sit and stay at the restaurant, and I don't want to be the first guy to leave the group either
I feel like that most fucked up thing about tips is that if you don't make enough, your employer will "generously" bump you up to minimum wage. $7.50/hr is fucking unlivable, pay your fucking employees a wage and tips can go on top. If you start bitching about "oh no i won't be able to pay my workers", hot fucking tip scumfuck, if the only way your restaurant can stay afloat is by scamming your workers, you're going to be bankrupt in half a year anyway. Fuck I really fucking love Australia sometimes, thank god for Unions and a strong Labor party.
That's the way it is here in Oregon and food isn't any more expensive here than anywhere else.
Im the other way aeound. Id rather the $26.
I always thought that was the norm globally but apparently in the US prices are always displayed without taxes, and you have to pay for the extra at the counter. What the fuck is the point of that?
Let's be honest here, and let's get serious.
Tipping is a rather achaic thing nowadays, and it would be better for all parties involved if the employees are paid the same wage regardless of anyhing.
Tipping can of course remain a thing if a customer finds themselves so pleased with the service that they want to give away money, but it shouldn't have any effect on the employees' wage AND tipping should then also apply to any customer service jobs, not just fastfood industry.
And as a sidenote businesses should have the capability to receive tips electronically say MobilePay, and I think it might leave a customer more satisfied and more willing to tip a business if they can do it anonymously, without a service person standing next to them.
Sales tax can vary state to state, even by city, and the tax rate itself can change sometimes. Not including the tax is way cheaper than manufacturing or changing signs to reflect this.
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