https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENnphXEW1Ng
I'm curious if people think this is justifiable or not. I'm not really sure myself. He had a knife, didn't follow instruction, but he did have his hands up. He might have just been an idiot.
Seems like the cop fired as soon as the door swung open, paused, and then was like "well I already started, might as well commit at this point"
No way that's justifiable, what the fuck was that? Sure, he might have deserved to get shot when he swung the door out, but afterwards...what the fuck were those shots?
Why did he swing the car door open and fly out of the car knowing they'd been yelling at him not to move?
Panic from both officers in the cam car and the victim misunderstood the officers commands when he stuck his hands out instead of staying in the car..
Looked like he was just trying to put his hands up outside the car.
Looks like a suicide by cop to me. There was no reason for him to A) swing the door out as quickly as he did B) exit the vehicle while wielding the knife.
Sure the cop that shot him after he swung the door out was trigger happy, but hey if he did kill two people before this he likely knew he was going to get life and weighed the consequences.
Honestly this just reminds me of that scene from Reno 911 where they fuck with the mormons by shouting "Don't move!" "Hands behind your head" and "Get on the ground!" at the same time. I can't find it online though.
the cops probably couldn't tell if what he was brandishing was a gun or not, the way it plays out is so awkward to watch though
He definitely opens the door to show his arms, gets shot for no reason, and then the flood of adrenaline hits him and he proceeds to stand up in response to it.
His body language doesn't remotely resemble someone trying to attack, even after being fucking shot, nor does it even resemble someone trying to commit suicide via cop.
Look, I get that I'm in the UK and we have different perspectives on this stuff, but whilst I can sorta understand the first shot in an anxiety-ridden environment US cops must face due to high incidence of gun ownership, the subsequent shots are totally unjustifiable to my admittedly ignorant mind. I just don't see how there's even a question on this. I assume my shock at the dispute regarding the validity of shooting a man multiple times with his hands up is due to cultural reasons, but yeah...
Cops shouting contradictory orders to a guy who is in a car with the window rolled up. Guy gets out of car pretty quick holding a knife. Cop shoots before he's even out of the car then hesitates saying 'god damn it'. Guy gets out with his hands up. Cops start shooting again.
No-one looks good here. Cops were too trigger happy and the guy's a moron for holding a knife. I'd say it isn't justifiable.
People need to read the context of the situation -
a fatal officer-involved shooting outside Fort Morgan Walmart involving a man wanted for stabbing his aunt and cousin to death in New Mexico. Dustin Montano, 31, was leaving the store at 13000 Barlow Road at about 8 a.m. on May 24 when he was confronted and shot seven times by the Morgan County sheriff and undersheriff.
While it seems total unnecessary, this person was wanted for a double homicide. I personally think he wanted to suicide by cop, even though his hands were up he brandished a weapon and got out of the car pretty fast. It only took a few seconds for him to get out of the car. While it may not seem "right", they where dealing with someone who killed two people. I don't blame them for being on edge.
There was no reason for him to open the door. They gave him two orders. Hands up and don't move. You can do both of these things seated, especially if he is empty handed. He exited the vehicle with a weapon in his hand with undefined intent. I DO NOT think the police should have fired. I don't think this is justified, it just seems to me that the suspect managed to do everything wrong here. There was no reason for him to stand, especially with a weapon in hand.
It's important to note that at this time, he had already killed two people with that knife
Yes, the cops should be held accountable for this, and receive a suspension for not properly issuing orders. But their fear is understandable given that he was wielding a weapon that had already been used to kill.
It's not justified, but I do see why they were so on edge.
I agree and understand that it's important to establish instances like these as part of a logical sequence of events, but in this case your insinuation is simply that because the suspect was wanted for a crime, the police are to be excused for hastily killing him. The hypothetical danger is treated as danger. This is exactly the a priori judgement that results in unwarranted police violence and generates controversy. It's why we're sitting here talking about it. Stating it as a given doesn't change how problematic it is.
The officer probably mistook the knife for a gun. The guy was literally holding a weapon that he used TO KILL PEOPLE.
Those are some fat cops.
cops are usually fat fucks because they're stressed and overeat to cope
Dash cam officer needed to keep his finger off that trigger.
The other officers needed to shut the fuck up. Primary gives commands. EVERYONE ELSE SHUTS THE FUCK UP. That way there are no conflicting commands.
Awful felony/red stop positioning.
If you are dealing with someone who is known to be violent, you need to show up with a long gun in your hands. They needed AR's out.
If you are afraid of the guy with the knife, then park further out and use the loud speaker. Reactionary gap gives you the space to deploy your firearm. It can also give you the space to NOT deploy your firearm.
Generally I'm the last to use dash cam footage to critique, but this was fucking amateur hour. Christ.
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