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https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/2/17927696/star-wars-the-last-jedi-russian-trolls-bots-study When it arrived in theaters last year, writer-director Rian Johnson’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi was greeted with an immediate backlash from a specific corner of its audience. As Vox’s Todd VanDerWerff pointed out in December, the criticism seemed to come from a few different angles: some felt the film was too progressive, that it was too jokey, that it was not interested in the elaborate universe of fan theories that has accredit since the original trilogy’s release, or that the characters’ journeys weren’t exactly to their liking.

ah yes, the 'russian bots' narrative don't forget everyone, you're surely a russian bot if you disagree with the current authoritatively progressive talking points/actions

maybe people just didn't like schizophrenia: the magical random character journey

Why is it so hard for people to admit that The Last Jedi wasn't that good a movie? Why are people so desperate to defend it? It's not the fucking second coming of movie Jesus, people!

Russian bots are definitely real things, but I don't know whether it's valid in this case, obviously. There are so many strong narratives online that it's really hard to wade through the crap.

What was overly progressive about TLJ? I've seen a lot of people trying to make it political but I didn't really get that impression when I watched the film.

I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I heard that the original study is a bit shit and does not support this headline that these fuckos are going with. TLJ still sucks.

The problem was that most of the complaints weren't about the actual quality of the movie, or lack of quality, but instead was directed at the "progressive" cast. The same shit happened with the Force Awakens after they revealed the main characters to be a woman and a black man. People suck Kelly Marie Tran got harassed off of the internet for starring in the fucking movie, for example.

I feel like most criticisms about the movie I see are it’s terrible character arcs, pointless subversions hat lead to nowhere, and terrible plot structure. All the anti-sjw complaints are minuscule in comparison.

I saw this movie opening night (in Australia too, so before a lot of other countries), before any general consensus. I hated it. While watching it, the second I walked out of the cinema, I already knew I hated it. Not because of any agenda or 'sjw' stuff. I'm extremely left myself. I hated it because it had a stupid story. The characters were incomprehensibly dumb, nothing they did made any sense, and it was just a total nonsensical farce. I'm not a star wars fan, I have no loyalty to the series and that has no bearing on my opinion. It was just a stupid fucking movie. So I wish people would stop saying that people who hate it are a) russian bots, b) have fallen prey to russian bots, c) are some kinda alt right sexist or d) an insane star wars loyalist who hates change. It sucked totally on its own merits. I even loved the directors previous films. He just totally fucked this one up.

There's no solid way to know what the actual public opinion of the film was because most people who care enough to leave their opinion on films on the internet tend to polarize really hard, and the bigger the film the sharper the polarizing. It's a series with a planned nine mainline episodes and you'll find people calling essentially each and every single one of them "the worst" for one reason or another, you'll probably even find a handful of people who'd call Empire Strikes Back the worst in the franchise just for the sake of being a contrarian snowflake.

I like TLJ but it had problems.

Yeah the people shitting on the actress was because of Rose being hated as a character, we've already seen this situation before with Jake Lloyd losing his mind and Ahmed Best trying to kill himself. Even Laura Dern was ridiculed, but unlike the former three she was already "big" so she just brushed it off. Mark Hamill, Domnhall Gleeson, John Boyega, they all acknowledged it and the latter two pleaded that you not be an asshole to her because of the direction's choices, because it's not any actors fault just like it wasn't with Lloyd or Best. They're people doing their jobs and advancing their careers.

Oh that's bullshit and you know it. Only a handful of complaints were that kind of thing, but the internet in it's infinite wisdom decided to focus entirely on that shit because outrage sells. There were legitimate criticisms to be made about the movie, yet whenever people point out those completely valid complaints, the only defense people have is "uh, well, actually you're just being racist and sexist". And now we have some random asshole saying that Russia decided that what is ultimately a nerd slapfight is a great testing ground for political meddling? This is lunacy. There is no reason why people need to defend a space fantasy movie this much. And also, weren't most of Tran's harassers fucking Finn/Poe shippers who hated her character for getting in the way of their ship?

I liked the movie too and was entertained when I watched it in theaters. That being said, it is a shit movie, and I'll probably never watch it again.

I think a portion of it was genuine racism. The same people that got upset over Finn being in the trailer for TFA

Russians politically influenced me to post this post. Apparently everything is influenced by Russia now.

IIRC Chinese social media had a lot of people striking racist zingers at the film for having an Asian chick kiss a black man, although the Chinese market was never too warm on Star Wars to begin with.

This is bullshit narrative been pushed by the media, and Rian Johnson himself really makes me starting to hate Disney, and Lucasfilm even more.

I don't even like the new movies so I'm not trying to say they're any good, I'm just stating what I saw. I definitely see more criticism about the actual quality of the film now than I did initially, but prior to the films release, and even for a while after, the vast majority of the complaints I saw had to do with people whining about the "sjw" stuff in the film

Rian Johnson isn't discrediting criticism of the film by labeling it as trolling, he's specifically referring to the twitter shitflinging that's been coming his way and the way of several actors following the film's release. https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1046918111729991680

I don't remember any hate for TLJ pre-release besides people that were upset over TFA being ANH 2, stuff was hype city til the very end

progressive reasons people are annoyed- ma-rey sue (seen by some as girls being presented as remarkably more powerful than the men of the past movies) finn/rose love scene coupled with her remark about saving what we love. admiral holdo (everything about her- purple hair, bitch face, not letting in Poe on the plan, chastising Poe- rightfully imo- for losing the bombers, 'godspeed rebels' - cringe) keeping leia alive as a 'female role model' despite Carrie Fisher being dead shoehorned in moral lessons about weapons trading rian johnson's politics and his snarky attitude in interviews and on twitter the whole 'the force is female' thing other reasons- shitty jokes ruining the atmosphere, disney tried to be too like marvel and failed poor plot, sub-plot goes nowhere and is relatively pointless. terrible structure poor story continuation from tfa and all of the other films. e.g. hyperspace allah ackbar. the whole movie is basically a boring chase scene - also, since when did ships 'run low on fuel' (links to poor continuity) poor pacing, kinda linked to above superman leia (like seriously, did Rian just binge watch superhero movies) poor attempt by rian to show how different the movie is to the others 'mmm salt' Porgs, funny sure, but they popped up too much later on. obviously included just so the mouse can make merch luke milking something, weirdly drinking it kills off snoke in a weird way, removing one of the only interesting characters reys parents being nobodies (i get they wanted 'anyone to be a force user', links into the kid at the end using force abilities, so the mosue can sell merch to kids, but it is STOOPID). I guess kylo could have been lying, but otherwise its shit. finn and rose side story is the dullest thing I've ever seen. Finn successfully sacrificing himself would've actually made him such a badass character and a potential martyr for the rebels, but rose is STOOPID going backwards on character development. e.g. poe, he had dealt with his authority problems by the end of tfa but by the time tlj rolls around he's the same as he was. shitting all over luke- the man who forgave darth vader but tried to kill his nephew the second he suspected dark side use (even hamill voiced how much he hated this development) luke forces so hard he dies rian's snarky attitude to anyone who voices any criticism at all I'm not even done but I'm getting beside the point (note, I'm just big into the movies and part of a lot of fangroups and those are things I've heard people say). The main thing you have to think about when people say that TLJ was disliked because it was too progressive is that that was probably written by a PR company who knew it would detract from the bad reviews the film was getting at the time. If the headline is 'Star Wars boys DON'T LIKE the new, better, progressive Star WarsTM' then they haven't made a bad movie, they immediately paint any critic who mentions some parts as a shitlord and they might even get some people who posses those politics to view the film who might not have otherwise. Sure some fans in some groups I'm in made their criticism a bit political (just like how /pol/ can make ANYTHING political) and that was picked up on but most of us just hate how the film was and don't watch it through a political lens. I'm so much of a nerd I'm halfway through rewriting the script (just for shits and giggles) with the same characters and mostly the same sets, just slowly unfucking everything lore-wise and plot-wise to show it could've been a good movie if Rian hadn't been the man in charge.

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They hype definitely outnumbered the complaints significantly, and most of the complaints stemmed from your typical suspects such as incels, alt-righters and so on so forth, but it was still there. As I mentioned, Kelly Marie Tran, the actress who got the worst of it, ended up being harassed/threatened off social media due to all the hate she was receiving. Sure the complaints came from a small minority of all movie-goers, but it was still there, and unfortunately those types of people tend to be the loudest online.

Personally I think the movie could be just fine with a couple re-added deleted scenes and some being removed. Maybe a touch of reshoots to add the patches from the comic adaptation, but that aint gonna happen so

Rey is shown to be incredibly powerful force-wise, for some weird reason. She gets practically no training with her weapons and yet can destroy all of the knights of ren (oh wait, they proved to be fairly useless and weren't expanded upon, i forgot to mention that). She uses force persuasion without knowing how. Luke trained for an entire movie for all of that shit and barely got the basics down. He couldn't beat his antagonists (vader was just playing with him) using either the force or the lightsaber. It's a mixed race couple- that's /pol/ tier racism though- but it has been mentioned in articles about the right wing hate (stupid, as it's such a fringe opinion). Good time to explicitly say I don't agree with some of these points of contention. There shouldn't have needed to be a comic adaptation (more $$$ for the mouse though I guess) they could've killed leia off respectfully when kylo bombed the bridge- instead they kept her on for some random reason. I can see that, again, it's just what 'right wingers' have said when moaning about the progressiveness of the movie.

These posts are all exactly what a Russian bot would say! :tinfoil:

When did she fight the knights of ren?? Anyways, her survival and fighting skills come from surviving alone on Jakku her entire life, and tech knowledge from scavenging all the downed rebel/empire ships during that time. It's also implied throughout TFA and TLJ that the force is shifting, and it's already been notarized that Kylo unintentionally unlocked something in her. She was born force sensitive (like most Jedi), causing the reaction to the lightsaber, and Kylo unwittingly gave her some knowledge and power back when he peered into her mind, just like the force-bond in TLJ causes Kylo to see her parents. This didn't happen to Poe because he was not force sensitive. Kylo is the reason Rey's force was awakened. Luke didn't really have that luxury. Kylo Ren's powers are practically new to the world, possibly trained from Snoke in the Unknown Regions (uncharted space basically, not even the empire bothered with it much). Every Star Wars movie has a comic adaptation. This one just happened to use the opportunity to fix parts of it. They aren't changing plans for her. If Carrie was alive it'd be the same scene.

This doesn't seem far-fetched to me. Note it just says the bots only amplified the already negative comments, not that they started the negative comments. Not that everyone that hates it was a bot.