Just pour a fucking .44 round in to your ear canal you piece of shit.
Skripal had served time in a Russian prison for selling information to Britain, and Moscow had agreed to release him as part of a spay swap
Woah... I knew Russian prisons were bad, but that's disgusting.
I’m more apt for a shotgun kiss 😘
if you "disappear" just know that i will always remember you
I'd stay away from any cities with a cathedral if I were you.
I've never had a problem with Traitors of a Nation being executed by said Nation. It's fair game.
If you're putting the Nation at risk by selling of state secrets it makes complete sense. You are putting many lives & national security at risk.
If you joined the Military / Secret Service or become a spy, that is EXACTLY what you signed into.
When it comes to this It is fair game for the nation to execute the Traitor as per Military Court (if Required, In most wars you'd be shot on sight for desertion.)
And it's fair game for the country benefiting from the Traitor to protect their new asset.
The only state at fault is my own country, the UK, for not sufficiently securing the asset.
on the other countries soil though? And such a shit job that they managed to murder a civvy as well?
not sure I agree with you there
I guess nothing is immoral as long as you follow the laws of the nation, right
your lack of perspective on the matter is baffling
These extrajudicial killings are just as about sending a message to any would-be defectors as about justice. In other words, they cannot be too clean (foul play must always be suspected), but its necessary to maintain some little plausible deniability regarding who did it. This is why poisonings are preferred by Russia, as they at least provide time for a clean getaway for their agents.
And yes, they did get rather sloppy this time, but thats not really unique. Mossad always was a pretty renowned agency, but some of their targeted killings during the 70s-90s were a complete mess.
Random witnesses killed, agents getting captured, once they even killed the completely wrong target.
Shows how much you payed attention to what I said.
Pledging your life and silence to a cause, then backing out and selling national secrets to rival states is completely understandably a death sentence.
Just like I would expect multiple first degree homicide to be.
Like, imagine saying that about the Nazi regime. Counter-Intelligence is a risky job but poisoning people with a nerve agent is still a despicable thing to do even when it comes to spy agencies.
Get your head out of your ass. At the end of the day spies are only as reliable as their loyalty to their country and if that country displays awful ideologies and behaviors I don't blame them for defecting.
How immature.
'Edgy'
How about real. I'm sure ISIS feel they are the good guys.
I'm pretty certain the conesenses is they are the bad guys. I'm certainly inclinded to agree with that, given the inhumane actions they have commited.
The lines with the 'average' nations are all rather blurry, There is a huge amount of sway with the press, how things are presented in the media and propaganda in general.
holy shit nigga hahaha did you really just write that holy shit
'nigga' Really?
It is factually true. You're kind of omitting the part that I dispise ISIS for it's actions (just like the NAZIs actions too.)
But when it comes to state-state relations and national security, major leaks between countries can cause massive loss of life, potentially civilian.
I get what he's saying, but you're taking sections from it, and trying to make it like he's talking outta his ass, when you're the one picking and choosing what part of his post to reply to. He never said anything about Nazis and nerve gas. He's saying he understands why the govt of a spy would want to kill said spy for defecting to the other side. A spy usually has valuable info, I wouldn't blame any country for offing their own spies if they had to...cause you know...you don't want other countries knowing all your shit..
But truthfully? What we should get from this is that peacetimes are over and have been for along time, if they even existed and not some facade to get us nice and lazy.
Most, if not all of his opposition In Russia has been killed via hitmen. He's got an entire network of these guys that he can just call on to kill someone he thinks is dangerous to his image. One Putin critic was shot right outside the Kremlin parking lot immediately after a meetin with Putin, fi you want an idea of how eerily close this network is.
This isn't even the worst of it though. They have a method of moving prisoners he's illegally incarcerated into shittier parts of prisons to break them mentally.
Maybe we shouldn't have just let the USSR collapse and ignore everything after. "Electing an ex-KGB as president" should've been red flags internationally.
Okay, I've been trying to be more conscientious about my posting habits lately so I'll admit that I was acting like a dick and it was a bad post. My bad. I'll try to address points I feel are relevant.
I think the problem with condoning the murder of spies is that it becomes a slippery slope. After all, that Russian defector was on UK soil so even if he was a criminal in Russia, he wasn't in the UK. Russia violated UK law and sovereignty with a violent act. Usually, even if a country is spied on it's considered as acceptable "in the game" and won't usually result in war because usually spies just end up in prison and are used as bargaining chips. It's a whole other ball game if If you start murdering people. If you still think it's acceptable and expected because '[They] are putting many lives & national security at risk' then if we go further with that logic wouldn't it be acceptable for Russia to kill UK diplomats and politicians? After all, they technically are the ones ordering the spying and you could consider that their policies are directly 'putting many lives & national security at risk' for Russian. So even if we don't consider either side good or bad (remember how Russia annexed part of Ukraine, a "good" country doesn't do that) murdering spies will still deteriorate global stability.
If you can put forth a good argument as to how Russia isn't a currently belligerent entity on the global stage I'd like to hear it. They manipulated the US elections, tried to kill a defector with nerve gas as a warning, annexed part of Ukraine. Sure sounds like a peaceful entity.
Even if you adhere to moral relativism like it seems you're doing here I don't think that we can objectively say that beheading people for not believing in their sky daddy is neither good or bad.
Lack of evidence isn't evidence. Also, while I think everyone would agree that spy agency are a necessary evil, it's still good for a state to keep a tight leash on what they're permitted to do because if you fuck up and are exposed the current government theoretically has to answer for it and depending on the country that could be really bad for reelections.
I dunno man, it's seems like you're argument is "well everyone thinks they're the good guy so who can really tell?" but I think that's bullshit if you just take a second to analyse the impact each nation has on the global stage.
Even if you adhere to moral relativism like it seems you're doing here I
don't think that we can objectively say that beheading people for not
believing in their sky daddy is neither good or bad.
Oh I'm certainly not judging good or bad, In the vast percentile of people, that is considered bad. However those (percieved) twisted minds view it much otherwise.
It could be argued that the western invasion, bombing of hospitals and such caused their mentality, forgivable or not.
Religion and strong ideological principles are a sour topic. I follow the view that Islam in the eastern countries is simply 'a few centuries' behind where Christians are progressively. You go back a few centeries (or even less!) and Christians were just as bad / worse even. (Look at what they did to those that raised the question of the planetary orbits!) .... I'm getting sidetracked here.
With regards to Russia's actions on the global stage, I'm not too passionate regarding what's gone on with Ukraine. After all every country has done some serious invasion, the USA and UK being REALLY bad when it comes to that kind of thing.
What Russia did with Ukraine is pretty minor compared to America's actions with the Eastern countries. America's actions are really bloody shocking when you look into some of the darker histories. (Banana Republic, Afgan / Russian proxy war, CIA drug trafficking etc.)
Okay, I've been trying to be more conscientious about my posting habits
lately so I'll admit that I was acting like a dick and it was a bad
post. My bad. I'll try to address points I feel are relevant.
Thanks for putting together a much clearer and well thought out post. You do raise some good points. Being that it's midnight here I must go to bed, work arrives tomorrow morning come hell or high water.
... Maybe too many George Carlin Routines have rubbed off on me. I'm pretty detached from how I view it all. (Grab a bag of popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show, it's the longest running soap opera in history.)
PS: how do you do those nice partial responses?
Whataboutism isn't really an argument. Just because the US and UK did it in the past it makes it ok? I'd argue most people would think invading another nation for frivolous reasons would be bad regardless of the country doing it E.G. Canada did not support the invastion of Afghanistan by the US because it was considered an illegal war by the UN. It should concern you deeply for a country like Russia to invade another country whenever they want with basically no repercussions.
Again, just because the US did those things it makes it ok for Russia to do it?
I feel like it's a bit dangerous to think that world affairs don't concern you. You never think that events going on abroad will affect you until they do.
I feel like some of your views about the world (E.G. moral relativism) are a bit naive and asinine because they don't give any useful insight on how the world works. Of course people in the wrong don't think they're wrong, you learn that in high-school in your history class but there are still ways to distinguish between altruistic actions and belligerent actions and it's not that hard to make a tally of who's REALLY interested in increasing chaos on the world stage because it benefits them (wink wink it's Russia).
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then james bond would have died in literally the first film.
Killing an expatriate on another country's soil is an act of war.
ISIS does't give a shit about being the good guys, same as the modern GOP. All they care about is "being right".
People trust this man more than Trump. Unbelievable.
So is this the Anger step of the Russian denial sequence?
I kinda lost track of the progress, they got more steps then the five steps of grief.
Why a .44? A .22 would be nice because it would bounce around in the skull
As it leaves it'll pull whatever brain he actually has out the exit hole.
Oh hey, if you wanted to make a fair comparison if Trump officially defected to Russia and took refuge there I would literally not give a shit if he was kept alive. Trumps is currently very much breaking a ton of laws right now as we speak and everything he does is very much under US juristiction so why shouldn't he go to prison since everybody would agree that a spy would?
have you literally ever made a good post?
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