• Over 2.5 million dollars raised for Susan Collins's opponent in 2020
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https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/387413/either-sen-collins-votes-no-on-kavanaugh-or-we-fund-her-future-opponent
Holy shit, it's gone up a half a million dollars in the last 5 hours or so
That's good, because he has no business sitting on the supreme court, and there is thankfully some considerable agreement on that matter
I gave $20, it looks like the counter broke from all of the donations
Shot them $50. Keep this twat from turning the SCOTUS into a SCROTUS.
Fun fact: there isn't anyone announced running yet against Collins so this is several millions for a theoretical candidate that hasn't been selected yet.
Saw this comment for a donation “Sen. Collins does not deserve another term. Her actions for this Supreme Court vs. her words towards Al Franken display how she is a hypocrite. Vote Her OUT!” What did she say about Franken? Franken's a Democrat so hypocrisy is 1000% expected
This probably won't matter. There's no reason to believe that the election process still works as intended in America. I fully expect Republicans to now get 110% of the vote like in Russia. None of your institutions can be trusted anymore, even the judiciary branch is now compromised and held by partisan yes-men. You are truly and well screwed, and on the path to facism and eventual ruin. Escape the shithole while you still can. Especially if you are a minority of any sort.
A fascist shithole with the world's largest military and hundreds of nuclear weapons doesn't sound like something anyone can escape from in the end. The blue states will still hold fair elections if it does get to that point, I doubt it will.
I would love to hear what makes you think voting in the US has been compromised systemically. Don't be too disappointed when the cycle repeats, Democrats take over, and America doesn't collapse .
There's one, Doctor Cat London
Do you want particulars, or just a broad strokes coverage of the constant gerrymandering, voter roll purges, discriminatory voter ID laws, closing DMVs, constant redistricting, constant boundary changes, and the whole host of things it takes a grand total of five seconds to find just by putting 'voter suppression' into your choice of search bar?
Called for him to resign immediately before any investigation. Which of course he did after being pushed by his own party. Contrast with the Republicans, where it seems like being a sexual predator is a requirement.
With a political institution as complex as the US you are of course going to have those trying to abuse it. Care to explain how any of those indicate that the Americsn political system has been compromised as a whole?
Oh, I think took your post at face value. What I got out of it was the implication that the US does not have significant systemic problems, that's my bad
I acknowledge there is a lot wrong with the United States right now, anybody who disagrees is taking comfort in ignorance. I'm tired of seeing so many people fear monger and further divide the two sides rather than encouraging open dialogue. There is a lot of shit going on, but people don't seem to remember that less then half a century ago there was a very real possibility they could be shipped across the world and die for a political cause they may not believe in. A century ago women were just being considered equal enough to vote. The problem this country faces are constantly changing but I believe the country has always been improving.
This smells like a flimsy pretext to call back to this post again With particular emphasis on the bolded bits I'm just gonna steal this reddit post The Republican party did this They've been doing this for actual decades. From the second Roosevelt enacted the New Deal, it has become the Republican mission to never ever lose again in order to ensure their financial interests are never jeopardized and their authority is never challenged I think it's time to bring an old ghost up from its grave. Just congressional voting records on a whole host of issues involving the US political process and money in politics. Notice any recurring trends in it? You cannot look at the collective history of the Republican party and then tell me they're not somehow a major component of the god damn problem Senator Whitehouses Opening Remarks Supreme Court Hearing And the transcript helpfully provided by an industrious redditor. If you only read one part of this post, it should be this part I've been neck deep in this shit for two straight years. This man has been neck deep longer than I have been alive. This isn't just arbitrary partisan bitching. This is a genuine fucking concern of mine that comes from a place of just knowing basic fucking things about the history of the party I couldn't find a graceful segue into this article, but it is a good read nonetheless I couldn't give one dusty fuck about the average Republican voter. I view the average Republican voter in the same way I view a victim of an abusive relationship You don't get people out of abusive relationships by giving them a different kind of abuse. You do everything you can to make them realize that they're in an abusive relationship in the first place I go to this comparison because it is exactly what the Republican party is. They are the party of abuse. The exact same tactics you find in an abusive relationship, you find in the Republican party. The gaslighting, the projection, the lies, the victim blaming, the destruction of self confidence, the reinforcement of helplessness, the insistence that their victim can't survive without them, that they're the only ones who can ever protect them. Their victims would be useless without them. The economy will wither, the frightening brown men will rape and kill everyone and install their wrong religion, the left will take all your money and give it to them. Nobody can save you but The Party I conclude this post with a pair of links This one is a fuckoff gigantic timeline and compilation of Tinyhands' history and various connections through the years. It is another piece of the post you should read even if you skip the rest This one is a subreddit dedicated to the many well sourced posts of user PoppinKREAM, who has gained infamy for their diligence in supplementing and contextualizing the many articles detailing this administration's actions. It's a good quick and dirty version, but I recommend looking at the man himself's profile And I had a followup to it the bolded section in a later post This isn't a conversation about Republican voters. When people do something like call the entire party fascistic, treasonous, criminal turncoats, I feel like it's kind of a no shit they don't mean literally every person who has ever voted Republican. It's frustratingly consistent how no matter how hard anyone tries to stress their vitriol lies primarily with The distinct political entity that is the Republican Party it somehow gets translated into the most bullheadedly literal interpretation of 'every single human who has ever voted Republican is a terrible person' And just to really make it an recursive mess, there's the most recent entry in this long running tirade. It's a little redundant, and this post is big enough, so it stays just linked You want to encourage open dialogue? Never ever assume that anyone talking about Republicans is talking about Republican voters. They're victims of The Party just as much as everyone else. People's beef lies with The Party
I'm hoping you aren't under the impression that I support the Republican party..? It's clear that fear is a tool used to influence their voter base. You're telling me never to assume anybody talking about Republicans is talking about their voter base? Try telling that to the Republican who sees less online about their views being attacked and more about how "Republicans" are. To have an open dialogue you do not need to be willing to accept the other side's views. Attacking the party directly is not constructive, the problem lies in changing the voter base.
I think I need to reemphasize this part of the post: I go to this comparison because it is exactly what the Republican party is. They are the party of abuse. The exact same tactics you find in an abusive relationship, you find in the Republican party. The gaslighting, the projection, the lies, the victim blaming, the destruction of self confidence, the reinforcement of helplessness, the insistence that their victim can't survive without them, that they're the only ones who can ever protect them. Their victims would be useless without them. The economy will wither, the frightening brown men will rape and kill everyone and install their wrong religion, the left will take all your money and give it to them. Nobody can save you but The Party One of the biggest and hardest steps to getting people out of an abusive relationship is helping them realize they are in an abusive relationship in the first place Do you have any particular ideas on how I could more effectively do that? In general, my current method is trying to just hold a mirror up to The Party's actions and let that do the majority of the talking, with my own commentary being a largely optional part of the reading I'm not sure where the impression that I'm attacking Republican voters or their views is coming from, so I could use some help there. Is it the 'not one dusty fuck' remark? Because I'll freely admit that that's a major fuckup. Especially when it's serving as the lead in for the meat of the paragraph, which is supposed to have the emphasis on the part where I view the Republican voter base as victims of abuse Do you have any ideas on how I'm supposed to change the voter base without showcasing the abusive and criminal nature of the party they vote for? Bearing in mind that many of the reasons people vote for The Party in the first place are based on the aforementioned propagandizing The Party does? Should I not be showcasing their flagrant disregard for the law and their own supposed constituency by pointing out things like the congressional voting records? is it not worth noting just how much petty criminality there is within the party? Is their abusive nature not worth talking about? How is it constructive to just let these things pass without comment? Do my posts count as this fearmongering you're talking about? If so, why? If not, what is an example of this fearmongering? It would be useful to have some extra frames of reference How, exactly, do you help someone realize they're in an abusive relationship if you never tell them how they're being abused?
I do not wish for you to believe I am making any assumptions, I am taking what you say at face value. I do not think you are making any attacks on the voter base, I agree it is important to acknowledge openly how awful certain individuals are in the Republican party. The Republican voter base does not need to be told about what their party is doing wrong. The party draws its power from the voter base, it is a symptom not a cause. Yes, there is money driving a significant portion of this power but why? What is it that is causing that area of the country to have such a vastly different political climate than that of your own? You are assuming that their voter base is living in similar conditions, without open dialogue how can you hope to understand them? The Republican party should be exposed for their abuse of law, but it's important to remember that there are people driving these decisions. Without the voter base to protect them, they are otherwise unable to hide behind a political party to influence policy and guarantee safety.
Just gonna cheat off my own notes again So you know how with abuse victims it's often hard to disentangle the abused from their abuser and your biggest obstacle might be the abused person themselves? Who will be adamant that their abuser is not that bad a guy or that the abusive traits are somehow their own fault or they just plain don't realize that a relationship isn't supposed to be like this and usually all of the above? That's more or less the right wing voter base, and I don't think people generally appreciate just how deeply ingrained the left vs right mentality is in the places where the Republican party has been allowed to run wild and spread their ideology. I can only really describe it as generational brainwashing, and I don't think people realize just how deeply it affects people, just how much money the Republican party spends on ensuring they have an indoctrinated voter base Generally, they have no idea. How could they? The left is all liars and thieves, only the warm bosom of the Republican party will carry you to heaven, the righteous party, the fair party, the just part, the guns party, the party that doesn't want to murder babies and steal your hard earned money from your pocket. We're the only people you can really trust, you just can't trust those dirty lefties, they're all pedos and gays! And those are bad! You know they're bad, because The Party told you they're bad, and The Party is all you can trust. The Party are the only ones with the guts to tell the truth I grew up in Eastern Washington. Rural country. Farm country. Horse country. Republican country. My extended family is spread out through the Bible Belt, and up 'til recently I lived way out in the middle of rural Texas I don't like to use myself as any kind of a source, but at this point I feel like it's important. I am one of these people. I have drifted quite far from the flock, it's true. My ideology comes nowhere near to the Republican ideology. I drift further left every day, but by birthright, I am Republican. I am a member the Republican constituency. I live in a Republican voting bloc. I grew up deeply immersed in the culture they, the party, have created And I don't think you've been reading nearly enough of what I've been posting. My commentary on these posts generally really is completely optional, the real meat is in the links, and the first one of those links is this https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9cm3wg/trump_has_normalized_racism_lying_scapegoating/e5bmje6/ I don't think you grasp just how horrifying the Republican relationship with their constituency actually is I do I have lived it It is horrible, it is terrifying, it is an abusive god damn relationship in every single way, right down to the part where the abuser actively controls their victim's reality All these linked posts don't even begin to scratch the surface of just how deep the Republican propaganda network's roots go. Rupert Murdoch's media empire is a horrifying, propagandizing hydra, Sinclair Broadcasting owns literally thousands of local news networks across the country, across all these rural areas, and they all actively push the agendas of the greater financial interests, they actively brainwash people, and that's not even getting in to their online presence. Haven't you ever read any right to far right news sources from within the US? Have you not watched at least snippets of FOX News? It is a ride https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9l3aue/fbi_lacks_white_house_approval_to_talk_to/e73qhku/?context=3&utm_content=context&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=u_Smolensk You're looking at it from the wrong direction. There is a reason I emphasize that the people who ostensibly make up the Republican constituency are victims. The Republican party constantly slashes education, suppresses voters, suppresses free speech, reduces civil liberties They don't act at the will of their constituency, they act on their own will for their own interests, and then sink millions of dollars into convincing these poor people that it was their idea in the first place. Republican voters have got about as much influence on Republican policy making and the party at large as a mosquito has got on where an elephant walks. The Republican party has reduced millions of American citizens into nothing more than rubberstamps for their own financial and political interests, and the most horrifying part of all of it is they've convinced them that it's for their own good I sound like a broken record for how I keep looping around to the abusive relationship comparison, but it's just so accurate. At the absolute best, you could describe it as codependency The Republican voter base absolutely does need to be told what their party is doing wrong, because they are constantly being lied to by their own party. The party invests millions, billions, trillions into ensuring that there is always that constant deniability If you're looking for a source of the political divide in America but you're not seeing the Republican Party as a possibility, it is my personal opinion that you're missing the forest for the bloody trees I'll close out with a link, the collected works of one of leddit's most infamous commenters. They've covered the subject of Republican corruption quite extensively and with lots and lots of sourcing
^ Republicans always play the victim, always blaming someone or something else, acting as though they alone and their agenda is obviously the only real solution and when it isn't they pull the no true communist defense and say they need more conservatives to really enact their agenda. Trump's message since realizing there was a congress has been "we need more conservatives!" because his agenda, the gop's agenda is still too far away from where moderate republicans would vote.
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Just wanted to say that you are fast becoming one of my favorite posters. Facepunch has an odd way of being ultra patriotic and not viewing the world as it is but rather through ideals of how it should be. My arguments generally get lost in my anger, but you, you can hold your own in showing that the area of grey is almost all encompassing. Just wanted to pop by and say I respect you a whole lot.
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