• Leave no dark corner - Social Credit in China
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Leave no dark corner What may sound like a dystopian vision of the future is already happening in China. And it’s making and breaking lives. The Communist Party calls it “social credit” and says it will be fully operational by 2020. Within years, an official Party outline claims, it will “allow the trustworthy to roam freely under heaven while making it hard for the discredited to take a single step”. This was a really interesting read, and while I've seen posts about the Social Credit network before on Facepunch, I hadn't seen this one which gives a new perspective from the people actually living in China.
I hope it backfires and becomes a self-conscious system that finds the ruling party unjust. a man can dream
This would be such an amazing turn of events.
this is a tool to make silencing citizens an automated procedure. how terrifying and amazing at the same time
Reading onto this social credit system, It makes me wonder if there is even a way to climb back up from the bottom. It basically sounds like you'd be better off considering killing yourself if your score got too low with the amount of restrictions bestowed onto you. And of course, you wouldn't know if or why you where blacklisted and just being near someone who has a lower score could just jeopardise your own future. You might as well not talk to anyone at that point. The more i think about the system, the more questions I have of it. Thats probably too drastic, the killing yourself part but i have a really hard time just attempting to see the other options one would have to "recover" from such a situation. I find it interesting yet equally more terrifying.
considering how china desperately needs to transition to a consumer economy and how the US has gotten by on shrinking incomes by opening up credit I can't see how such a restrictive system for credit could possibly backfire on them.
Xi's name, pronounced she turns out to be a subversive reference to his transgender status - banned from China.
Bring back the Republic of China.
where's that optimistic rating when you need it That's the funny thing though isn't it. They won't suffer under it because they're the ones who get to define what's acceptable or not. And of course they could always just Beria it up and just ignore the horrible crimes of the party because hey they're state and therefore they're good.
The system won't touch them because they control the system. The party leadership will in all likelihood feel no repercussions and direct any criticism or dissent back at the people voicing it with punitive measures; I can't see them allowing the system to backfire on themselves.
We use 'lucky' as a worthy replacement now.
I know it's wrong but I'm quite happy to sit back and let it unfold to see how things work out. Just be cautious because China is heavily interfering in Hollywood now so expect plenty of propaganda from this point on and seeing a pivot in world powers, the US just isn't there anymore and Europe is heading the same way so we can expect opportunists to start making moves pretty shortly. Don't need a tinfoil hat to see this coming.
i hate to be brushing shoulders with boarderline conspiritorial style wordings here, but it's difficult to describe it as anything other than something to enact control over the people by incentivizing docile/loyal behaviour to the state, and worse still, gamifying it to get one's peers to police you, which is how the army reshapes people in bootcamp. If one person's fuckup gets the whole unit punishment, everyone keeps each other in line. Same thing going on here. DIfference is now, instead of mutual distrust, fear, self interest and garden veriety sadism at play, soviet or old communism style, this time i can see very typical people jumping on this happily, not knowing what they're doing. In east germany, 1 in 3 people were a stasi informant through fear, propaganda and self interest alone. And now china have made it into a game, they've made it "fun". This is something else man. Eh, still doesn't have the "sunshine and rainbows" connotation which made it work.
That's true. I liked the gaybow for homosexual posts and news articles too.,
I mean, this is how our technology has developed. Its been pushing further and further into centralization, the little moments of decentralized explosions have often times given away to massive centralization efforts that lead to monopolies. Just look at Facebook.
I know this is kind of a cliche reply but holy fucking shit, have these people never heard of Black Mirror?
Just use "cute" instead.
Im curious to what extent this system could be gamed. Can you buy 200 packs of nappies to gain like a bilion responibility points or something
Imagine this in book form. A robot police force that secret goes around killing people that are rated to poorly, and a resistance group of people the mainstream hate fighting against it. They find a way to rate politicians and huge bloodbaths ensue in the public space.
This is going to breed so much (inter-racial) contempt, prejudice and status gap, I'm kinda interested in how the society is even going to function in the future.
Same as now but worse. You know it's pretty bad over there to begin with
I'm glad I'm not part of this social experiment, but I'm interested in the result. Honestly a system that tracks and limits the damage of sociopaths and narcissists could be useful to society. I think this kind of system will be relatively inevitable anyway. It just depends how the system is set up. Depending on the parameters it can find networks or dissidents in an autocracy or flag up serial abusers, cheats and liars in a normal society.
Yup, latest Season, "Nosedive". It's exactly the same principle.
Wow China sounds like it sucks to live in
Yeah you’re happy to sit back and let it happen because it’s not your life that’s going to be absolutely ruined by this... yet.
Yeh that's literally exactly what I meant.
The end of the article is maybe the most interesting and concerning. For the couple with high scores, their child is going to get the best possible start in life. However that means for children born into families with low scores, they're going to spend their life facing difficulties through no fault of their own. Imagine growing up in a world where you're denied access to so much by a government that resents you from birth. It's easy to see how those children will grow up to feel bitter at the state and it'll create an entirely new class divide... unless the government creates countermeasures.
Creating a pocket of people that are outcasts will just create people dedicated to destroying the establishment.
Or simply a lower caste who are so ruthlessly scrutinised they are essentially rooted out and destroyed before they can effect change.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking by countermeasures. Surely the Chinese government can see the obvious flaw here and has/will create some way of dealing with these people, for better or worse.
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