Brexit makes Scottish independence more likely, Sturgeon tells S..
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>Nicola Sturgeon has told the Scottish National party conference that Brexit makes independence more likely than ever, as she challenged activists to increase their efforts to persuade voters across the country of the case for leaving the UK.
Insisting that Westminster’s chaotic handling of Brexit over the past two years made her “more confident than ever that Scotland will be independent”, a buoyant Sturgeon told activists in Glasgow “our task now is to step up our work to update and strengthen the case”, but did not offer any specific timetable for staging a second referendum.
I'm genuinely excited for round 2. My patriotism would naturally increase if we can pull away from the disgusting policies and general behavior of Westminster, we don't have so much of a class divide in Scotland. You can go to a bar and see a millionaire sat next do a bin man crying into eachother shoulders on any given day.
I'm seeing marches happening in the major cities and they are happening with more frequency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueEWmL2v4dc
I hope so for a lot of reasons but I really want my granda to see us go independent in his lifetime
Then we'll be kind and kill him first.
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good luck he's a tough old bastard
Ideally I'd rather they remain and the UK remain in the EU. But if England is going to be fucking stupid, then I'd rather Scotland break off and try to get back in the EU afterwards.
It's gonna happen. A lot of the drive behind indyref was because of "westminster making all the decisions" which is a bit flawed, but being dragged out the EU whilst a supermajority of Scotland voting remain doesn't do much to disspell that thought...
I can't wait for these bullshit tv spots to start showing again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmRvbFlcQdA
inde ref 2: euro stay in boogaloo?
Every argument for Brexit was basically a rehashed independence argument for Scotland so I can't wait to hear what the opposition is going to say.
I mean, it's a step forward, but once out, how is Scotland going to get back into the EU? Wouldn't Spain still block them because they don't want to encourage Catalonian separatism?
AFAIK, The Spanish would let them in as long as Scottish independence is legal - Spain says it will not impose veto if Scotland tries to join EU ..
Although it also won't let Scotland speedrun it's way through the process of joining EU - that is instantly letting it in
Genuinely can't wait for this to happen. They are virtually guaranteed to vote Yes this time around due to Brexit, and assuming they do so, I could see Northern Ireland potentially following suit(and hopefully reintegrating into Ireland) since Brexit hurt them quite a lot as well, and watching Scotland vote Yes could embolden them to do so as well.
Man can you imagine if it happens? Theresa May and her party will be forever known as the dumb idiots that literally broke a centuries-long union apart and made the UK lose a third of it's landmass, all in a stupid bid of power.
I used to be pretty unionist but I had a good think about it recently and if I lived in Scotland or particularly Northern Ireland, I can't really see why I'd want to stay in the UK now
Nice, Ex-Unionist that see the problem with current state of UK. But I wonder what if Wales sided Remain instead Leave, Do you want support Welsh independence too?
If they could afford it, accept industries leaving and look forward to a border wall if they join the EU, then they can go ahead.
Remember, we should solve all of our problems by building walls between us and ~them~
I can’t think of a single industry that would leave if they decided to join the EU. “Ah shit it’s just too easy to trade with Scotland lets just not bother.”
Ireland is a special circumstance, I don't see how there would not be an actual hard border.
The industries would be anything UK focused and anything that involves UK contracts, military, shipbuilding etc.
Admittedly, some banks threatened to leave and maybe a supermarket if I remember correctly. As far as I'm concerned good fuckin riddance.
Oh and we already have a wall, just needs a little repairing.
It's an actor, she gave herself away when she didn't start her incoherent ramble with "fukn....."
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The Union argument was heavily reinforced by the idea that if you leave the UK, you leave the EU as well. Now that the UK is leaving the EU, they've hard-countered their own argument.
Man it would be really fucking wild to see the United Kingdom break into just the Kingdom of England and Republic of Scotland in my lifetime. (assuming they will change to a Republic since I doubt there would be anyone wanting a monarch in Scotland)
They still have Wales, Northern Ireland (if depends they reunited with Ireland is certain) and some Dependencies of Manx and Jersey as examples. So there will UK for next some decades until English/'British' reactionaries will keep screwing their country's future.
And Scotland can be Commonwealth nation like Canada, Australia or New Zealand too.
Brexit was the deal-breaker for me. I was a staunch unionist - given that Scotland leaving would sacrifice our EU membership and introduce a lot of economic uncertainty with a fairly healthy England just chilling next door. Now that we're faced with what's looking like the worst Brexit we could possibly get, the UK is going to be leaving the EU and facing serious hardships anyway, so why not just go ahead with Scottish Independence as well? As previously noted, Scotland being forced to do something it had a supermajority against doesn't do much to dispell the thought that Westminster have superior control.
Yeah, no.
A brexit shilling campaign directed towards deprived parts of the UK may have pushed many people who live here into voting for it, but even the leave voters that I know are having a hard time trusting Westminster right now.
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England is dead weight to us now. We have our own ideas.
You can guarantee that the SNP in Holyrood will be much better prepared for negotiations than the Conservatives in Westminster were - the practical issues of demonstrating that we are robustly ready to negotiate immediately upon a "Yes" result would most likely be the single most important talking point during the run up to a confirmed indyref2.
(I know flagdog says I'm in the Netherlands; I'm part Scottish.)
When the first independence referendum came around I voted to stay in the UK, although it was a very hard ask and it was not without a lot of thought. The main reason for me wanting to stay in the UK was because we would likely lose EU membership and that is very important to me as my family is split between Scotland and Germany/Netherlands for the most part. At the same time I felt that Scotland was not properly represented and that was shit, but the uncertainty kept me voting to stay as part of the UK.
Now, though, I would 100% vote for an independent Scotland; the UK used scare tactics about us losing EU membership if we left them, and then barely any time later they held a referendum and are hell bent on pulling us out of the EU anyway so I have no reason to vote to stay as part of the UK anymore.
I'm not a nationalist by any means (people who know me know how much I dislike the SNP), but frankly the SNP is one of the only parties who gives a shit about this whole thing right now.
as someone who voted yes last time, its genuinely heart warming to see so many former supporters of the union come round to the independence way of thinking. Despite how they treated the first indyref, I feel the UK had a chance to try and make things better, but they literally just spat in our face with brexit and fucked everyone over. i dont know when the next indyref might be but i just hope we get independence because I just can't fucking deal with how ass backwards the uk government is.
If a referendum became real, how soon would it take place?
Even as a pro-Indy person they need to hang fire a bit, Brexit needs to actually happen first, just so the people can see clearly how much we've been fucked over.
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