Didn’t the same exact thing happen in the States? I can’t really disagree with the verdict, either—it’s their right to not make a cake with said slogan.
I do think it's fair to allow bakers to choose whether or not to make a cake with a slogan on it, so I agree with this ruling, but I am against gay people who just want a generic cake being denied it due to being gay, if that makes any sense?
It's a product VS commission
You commission custom work
you purchase pre-made products without custom work done
You can't commission a photographer to snap a wedding that he doesn't want to go to. But you can rent or purchase a camera yourself from one.
While I agree with you as well as the verdict in this and the similar cases there have been, is it just of a government to protect a business in conducting operations in exclusion of a certain demographic, if that exclusion is entirely based upon personal discrimination or bias? I am not saying that that is the case here, but I think it's close.
It gets a bit muddy in that a custom cake is sort of both a piece of art and a product.
Like, what if you could eat the Mona Lisa and it tasted like really good cooked human or something, but your kid's drawing of stick figures tasted like rotten wood.
Then you get people wanting artists to draw, like, babyfur anal vore and then wanting to eat the picture based on its taste.
what
are you ok right now
I've been having a lot of headaches lately.
Didn't know this but apparently the Supreme Court issues an official TLDR for all their judgements, so you can read that if you want to know why they ruled this way.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2017-0020-press-summary.pdf
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If they don't want to make a cake with a specific design they don't have to, but the homosexual(s) that sued the bakery wanted to make this about discrimination which is asshole that produced this bullshit.
Yes exactly.. The only reason the supreme court ruled in their favour was because it was a PERSONAL choice by the bakery to refuse the design and that it had nothing to do with the people being homos!
The cake itself. Statement from the bakers: https://www.christian.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/ashers-press-statement-daniel-mcarthur-10102018.pdf
“We’re particularly pleased the Supreme Court emphatically accepted what we’ve said all along – we did not turn down this order because of the person who made it, but because of the message itself.
“We want to move on from this now, and I’m sure Mr Lee does as well. And let me finish by saying he’ll always be welcome in any of our shops.
Ok how about this.
What if there was a shop that didn't sell to anyone except white people. Should that be considered legal as well if this situation is considered "Bad" but not "Illegal" to you?
So why is it bad but legal when it comes to LGBT individuals?
In their judgement, the court said that forcing the bakery to make the cake would actually be an infringement of their human rights under Article 10 of the ECHR, which has been found to protect people against being forced to advocate for political causes that they don't believe in
We just went through this. He posted under the pretense that the cake was refused because the customers liked to suck each others cocks when, as we just demonstrated, they were only refusing the DESIGN ITSELF.
Specifically the cake said "Support Gay Marriage" so the court ruled that it was political speech rather than an equality issue - if it had been a wedding cake the matter might have been different and if it had been because of their sexuality and unrelated it definitely would have been.
cause idk. There's a big difference between Nazism and Gay Marriage
One sucks major dick?
Nazism
Here's a much less extreme example: asking a baker to make a cake that says "fuck <insert politician's name here." Nobody should be forced to bake that cake.
They're refusing to make political cakes, not refusing to serve gay people. The couple can still buy and commission plain wedding cakes and the like.
There's a big difference between a generic wedding cake being denied and a custom product advocating for LGBT causes.
Despite "not agreeing with LGBT" being shitty in general, I would just take my business elsewhere on that one.
Now I find denying a totally normal wedding cake to be something that's basically just discrimination, since you're not "supporting" a cause.
On a side note, I have been inspired to bring a Hitler-themed cake to the next party I get invited to. Fairly excited!
It will probably take me a few tries to find a cake-shop that will accept the commission though...
In summary:
Rejecting a customer because they want a gay cake. = Allowed
Rejecting a gay customer because they want a cake. = Banned
So weird that people can have clearly bigoted beliefs and just call it their religion and get given a free pass.
"To me, this was never about conscience or a statement. All I wanted to do was to order a cake in a shop," he said.
Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that statement.
The customer, gay rights activist Gareth Lee
Sounds like someone tried to copy the gay cake incident that happened in America not too long ago to achieve their five minutes of fame.
dude stop banging your head against the wall then
This is a UK article but in the US you can't refuse services like dining to a protected class, but per the current interpretations of the First Amendment you cannot be compelled to make art as well. Custom cakes are technically art
If I was a baker I would straight up refuse to make a #brexit cake if someone asked me to. Given that this is a commission rather than selling a premade product, I agree with the court ruling.
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