Revealed: EU's attempt to control Britain's tax policies after Brexit - Polidicks

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/19/revealed-eus-attempt-control-britains-tax-policies-brexit/ Non-Paywalled I'll take No Deal for 100, thanks.

It's worried that if Britain leaves the EU but joins the EEA (aka free trade) then it'll become a tax haven for business all across europe, something nobody would ever want. It's not them being manipulative devious bastards or anything, it's them trying to get the best deal they can from the shitshow that's brexit. It's Britain's fault for putting itself in a situation like this...

Last I checked the UK isn't going to join the EEA as it doesn't want the free moment etc. The concern is that it would become a haven for businesses to operate outside of Europe.

Then EU should have come to an agreement and made a proper deal. They should have tried to make sure a "hard" Brexit didn't happen. But with a hard Brexit you get the EEA for European trades. They knew this was going to happen and did nothing, you can't blame Britain for this, they are just doing the best they can given the situation handed.

it's so fucking funny watching you people get angry at the EU for not changing the UK's diaper after they collectively decided to shit themselves :v the people who constantly screech about "responsibility" immediately start complaining like toddlers the moment their mistakes stop being cleaned up by mommy

The UK is like a whiny teenager who yelled "fuck you dad i'm moving out, i don't need you" but still wants his parents to pay all of his bills.

You actually just described the EU, not Britain. It was known for months that if Britain and EU didn't reach an agreement that Britain would go EEA. Now that the predictable outcome happened EU is having to deal with the negative effects of it. You can blame Britain for leaving the Eu if you want but you have to also put blame on the EU for not making an agreement with Britain. They cut off their nose to spite their face.

Sure, let's just have Britain leave consequence-free so everybody in the EU goes "hey, we can just leave whenever we want and fuck you all over because we felt particularly nationalistic today" and every right-wing party starts making leaving the EU their campaign pitch.

That's not what's happening at all. It's Britain going "Fuck you, i'm gone" and then EU trying to stop other people from hanging out at the UKs house. In this situation the EU is wanting Britain to do something, not the other way around.

Some would say a more accurate metaphor is the dad getting sick of his family, saying he wants to move out and then getting divorce raped in the process. Sure he probably has an obligation, but the scorned woman wants a real hunk of flesh to discourage the other husbands from leaving too. What a dysfunctional family, huh? :V:

Countries should be in the EU because it's good for them, not because they're afraid of retaliatory blackmail.

So what do you have to gain by leaving the EU other than jerking off to how nationalist you are?

It's not on the EU to do shit about the British's trade status, it's on the British to come up with the deal they want. It looks like they don't want a deal, and so they're going to suffer the consequences. I guarantee you those consequences are going to be far worse than any of the ones Europe's going to suffer from Brexit.

The things Britain wanted to gain. Not having EU law determine UK Law, not having to accept immigrants from the EU, not wanting to pay member fees. You might not think it's worth it but it was to the voting UK public. Actually it is. It is both parties job but when one of the two doesn't wont to make out a deal then a deal can't be made. Theresa May being Pro EU actually really wanted to make a deal with the EU. Many non EU Euro countries are doing just fine, the UK is one of if not the most powerful country in Europe, if there is any country I am putting my money on doing well it's going to be them.

You're right, and both groups want to make a deal however. It's just the UK is the one redefining its relationship with the European Union, and the EU is simply trying to protect its own interests. That means that if the UK wants to be a part of the EU trading bloc, then the UK is going to have to follow the EU's rules. The EU is the one in the position of power here, they're not the ones that have to or are going to be the ones to bow to the UK, and I wouldn't expect them too. The UK for years has acted like a toddler and treated the EU like shit and now wants out of it, threatening to destabilize the whole damn union. Why in the hell would or should the EU be expected to actually give a damn about bringing about a beneficial deal for the UK? It's not on them to do so. And yes, the UK will survive. That's not in question. The problem is that there's going to be a lot of pain and damage caused by this completely unnecessary fracturing of the Union. There was literally no reason to do so except for blatant nationalism and believing they can run their country better. Well guess what? Nows the time for them to prove it, and so far they've been doing a shit job of it. If they want to control their country's future, it's up to them to do it and nobody else, such as the EU.

Other than the ones people already list down, the eventual fiscal union is going to be the EU's downfall.

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maybe if the UK started paying up and realizing that they're in a weak as fuck position to be negotiating in then the EU might be a little more open for negotiation, no?

Obviously you didn't read the piece in the article about the outrage from the Irish of idea of losing control of their corporation tax. Fiscal union would mean the EU would dictate everything from tax collection to budgets.

What is this shite about trying to pin Brexit being a shitshow on the EU? First of all, there was no way this wasn't going to be a shit show. It's an inherently bad idea. There was no avoiding it. If you didn't want to take a massive dump on every single aspect of the UK's international position, then you shouldn't have voted for the political equivalent of throwing a massive tantrum and wrecking all of your own things because you aren't getting your own way. Add to that the fact our current government is composed mostly of out of touch aristocratic morons who didn't prepare for any of the negotiations in the slightest, and whose entire strategy for securing any kind of agreement with the EU seems to consist of swanning into those negotiations and demanding they get everything they want now or they will just walk away with nothing.... screwing over the British people first and foremost.... That'l show em? Brexit was nothing more than a group of fading right wing politicians that nobody in a real party would take seriously trying to set "the rest of Europe" up as a boogeyman to rally against in a ploy to stay relevant- and a different group of incompetent right wing morons calling their bluff, gambling with the UKs future to secure votes, and then scrambling to get out of the limelight as fast as possible before their party started flushing everything down the fucking pan. It's fucking hilarious to see the UKs right wing shoot it'self in the foot in an act of ~defiance~ against the EU- and then start to screech that the EU are bastards because they aren't rushing to stem the bleeding for them.

Soz ur wrong let me, a foreigner, explain to you why brexit, a nationalistic isolationist movement, is actually amazing for the empire. #MakeAustraliaAPrisonAgain

Do they? Theresa May has made it clear that she wants to work with the EU. The EU has made it clear they DON'T want to work with the UK. Again, Theresa May is even Pro EU so she has no reason to purposely not want to work with them. If that were true wouldn't they have helped to make a deal before No Deal had to happen? This hurts the EU afterall. That's the EU's fault. They should have made their members happy. Because it helps both sides? Are you seriously asking why the EU should care about helping the EU?

You don't live here dude so let me give it to you straight: Our government has not made any attempt to even try and negotiate with the EU. As @Fulgrim 's post points out, our Brexit Secretary/PM would saunter into a meeting with a shopping list and demand the EU meet it. Do you not agree that the EU also needs to ensure that any future deal is fair to both parties? Why would the EU sign a deal which only benefits the UK? Would you sign a deal that would allow someone ownership of your house, car and finances without anything in return? The Tories want the EU to still give us EU funding, to still allow us access to EU trade/science/security groups but without paying a membership fee. How can anyone say that is a good and fair deal? If you're not part of a club, you do not get to enjoy the benefits of being in that club. This isn't demigod quantum nth level neuroscience, it's basic reasoning. Negotiations are at an impasse because both sides have points that are central to their plans which are completely opposed by the other sides points. This is where the negotiate part comes in. But the PM and her government don't want to be seen to lose face, while the EU simply cannot logically capitulate to their demands, lest the rest of the Union follow a similar route. I will grant, however, that both sides need to start taking some laxity in their negotiation strategies, but it's up to the UK Government to set the tone & pace because they're the ones who initiated this in the first place. Sadly, it's looking almost certain that we'll have No Deal at this point. I will point out though that your bias is offensively blinding. You completely vilify the EU, but you don't know the first fucking thing about our shitty arse government. They're not good boys and girls, who kindly asked the EU for a nice deal. They were on the offensive from day one, DEMANDING that the EU gave us a good deal or "we'll be bloody difficult.". This is a government which has sold it's people the lie of austerity for eight or so solid years, and when it's politically advantageous to do, they drop those policies (only to reinstate them later). The bottom line of our society has suffered and crumbled under the onslaught of their heartless policies. In the last election they made possibly one of the worst manifestos of a main party in living memory, promising to put more funding into education by taking away free school meals, literally taking the food out of children's mouths. So, before you fire up your keyboard and prepare to unload a fusillade of anti-EU rhetoric, please do some research into our current government and come back when you understand.

When actual UK posters are telling New Zealand, US posters that brexit is terrible. Yet they insist its for the betterment of UK...

NAFTA works pretty well without requiring either country to pay high membership fees. Free trade of goods and research helps both sides. Again, isn't that what's important? I never said The UK was perfect. However they have the right to leave a pact they don't like.

Boilrig is basically an otherkin but for Britain, and also has this bizarre idea that Brexit will make him personally wealthier. Don't mind him.

So when British people say Brexit is bad I should listen but the ones that said it was good shouldn't be listened to because they don't count. Gotcha. I hear this spouted so much and yet the EU lies to their members all the time or at the very least purposely trying to hide information they don't like. Now that the UK has control of it's own country again it's going to be funny to watch them succeed in the face of the millions of people that want it to fail.

A country can't just suddenly "change it's economic model" without any kind of fallout to businesses or people's jobs...

Based entirely on propaganda pushed by the heavily right wing media- and promises that were walked back hours after the results came in, made by people who scrambled to resign as fast as they could. An idea isn't a good one because lots of people agree with it, or rather agreed with it at one point in time, because they certainly don't have a majority backing any more. Because that's just it: I live in a leave stronghold, the people here were some of the biggest brexit fanatics going. I'm talking painting brexit slogans on their houses/fences, fights breaking out in pubs because one lad was cheeky enough to question whether leaving was a good idea, the EU symbol being smashed off of people's cars- (even if it wasn't even on there as a show of remain support). Brexit was so popular down here that Tory political ads down here still involve brexit, claiming that Labour will cancel brexit and that's why you should vote Tory. And do you want to know what I hear more often than not from these people while I'm out drinking or reading social media? Uncertainty. A vast majority of leave voters around here are expressing the uneasy realisation that they might have made a huge fucking mistake. Even the ones who still support leaving the EU are looking at our current government's handling of the situation and wondering if we should even bother. If we had a second vote on the final deal, or lack of a deal, remain would win by a landslide. Because it's one thing to get everyone worked up into a nationalistic lather over those pesky foreigners, it's another thing entirely to get them to follow through with the rhetoric after nice big dose of reality.

People were misinformed, poorly prepared, and generally speaking voted with their gut instead of their brain. Whilst the majority was technically Brexit, the truth of the matter is that regret swept the nation almost immediately and significantly large portions of the country (notably the capital as well as Scotland and Ireland, if my memory serves me right) voted remain globally. Furthermore, even if this one unique vote were to be taken as sole motivation for Brexit to be set in motion, the issue remains that Brexit, in of itself, was barely and poorly prepared, came as a last minute impulsive decision, was and remains a massive shitshow on all fronts. The referendum may have indicated that a good portion of the UK wants to reconsider their membership into the EU, but that should not have prompted such early departure. I would wager a large amount of people who voted Leave in that referendum did not actually know what the EU does in detail for the UK and what the UK does for the EU, and just voted on vague scary notions that were emphasized by media networks with clear interest in skewing the story in their favor, overtly or covertly.