Right, a "fist fight", a fist fight that required repaining walls.
Is this just for propaganda purposes or do they expect us to believe this shit?
And dismembering the corpse in order to carry it out of the consulate.
Just wait, any minute now Trump is going to spout some bullshit about how he believes the Saudis' side of the story.
They're hoping if they stretch the news out long enough, people will have forgotten by the time they admit to torturing and assassinating a journalist. So first they insist, no, he was never there. Then sure, he was there, but he left just fine out the back door. Oh wait, maybe he didn't leave out the back but we don't know what happened. Okay maybe he died but it had nothing to do with us. Well, there was a fight, but he started it. Alright, he didn't start it. Fine, we killed him but it was a totally unauthorized thing, we fired the people responsible. Okay this was directly ordered by the Crown Prince but you're not even paying attention anymore.
The key thing is to stay mad - not just at the Saudis, who we should kind of be angry at as a default state, what with being an authoritarian monarchy that promotes religious extremism and terrorism and all that, but also at members of our own government for failing to respond to an atrocity in any way. At the very least we should stop selling weapons to an openly anti-democratic nation.
A fist fight that ended in dismemberment...
Reminds me of that guy with the sub and the journalist.
Honestly I don't think Trump will even bring this up again, or if he does then he'll promise that the Saudis will be severely punished but won't act upon it. We live in a time where a U.S. citizen and journalist can be brutally murdered by a foreign national and won't even be avenged.
Nah. He's going to go with the Saudis and claim that the guy was a violent journalist, then claim that all journalists therefore are violent. More fuel to his fire. More energy for his base. More people talking about him.
"We live in a time where a U.S. citizen and journalist immigrant sand nigger can be brutally murdered by a foreign nation and won't even be avenged."
Guaranteed this is the actual reason people largely don't give a shit and will move on with their lives like nothing happened. He was born in the middle east, so he's essentially worthless in the eyes of Trump's base. If it was one of their favorite white boys over at Faux News, they would be rioting in the streets.
To play devils advocate there's a chance that the whole thing could have been orchestrated by someone within the royal family without the kings or princes knowledge. One thing folks have to remember is that the royal family in Saudi Arabia is HUGE, with hundreds of members all with varying degrees of power within the government. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that a family member orchestrated it, especially when the prince is trying to promote progressive policies (as much as you can there that is) within the country.
Really makes one think about the hyper-masculine alpha-male image people project onto Trump, doesn't it lol.
hSure, I wouldn't be surprised if Salman is indeed telling the truth about not knowing about Khashoggi's death. However, his court releasing an official statement saying Khashoggi had left the consulate building, then going back by saying he was killed in a fist fight is fucking ridiculous and completely inexcusable for a prince to still be completely unaware of.
Ridiculous. The methodical killing of a prominent critic under the supervision of state actors who frequent the inner circle of Saudi leadership inside a consulate run by one of the most centralized states in the world.
Time to invade Saudi Arabia boys!
you're already a mod so there's no need to 'play' devil's advocate, silly
What few progressive policies he's pushed have come at the cost a massive campaign of suppression of his critics, and bumping off rivals or just people in the way generally.
You're right it's not out of the realm of possibility, just really improbable.
The amount of backpedaling they have done surrounding the issue incriminates everyone involved in said backpedaling I would say.
Unfortunately I'm somehow doubting we are going to be stopping our constant supply of arms to the country, too much money in it for people who deal in death to make profit, so assassinating a journo or two for these guys probably doesn't mean all too much and it fall on the public facing politicians to take the heat so they can continue their enterprise.
There is both audio and video evidence that confirms that Kashoggi was not killed in a fist fight, but was in fact drugged, tortured, mutilated, and dismembered with a saw -- while alive -- before ultimately dying from his brutal wounds. This has been seen, and verified, by US intelligence agencies.
What was this man's crime? Why was he murdered in such a brutal and horrifying fashion? He was investigating corruption within the Saudi Arabian government. Specifically, he was looking into huge sums of money being transferred from the the Saudi Royal Family to Donald Trump through his private businesses. This is why he was murdered. Why is Donald Trump lying through his teeth about what happened to Kashoggi? For the same fucking reason.
Has any of this video or audio evidence surfaced?
I'm not a fan of taking things like this seriously, however probable without seeing so myself. I'm getting quite sick in general of hearing "we have the evidence". International affairs aren't the same as domestic where evidence like this should be withheld from public view during investigations.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/politics/lawmakers-skepticism-saudi-khashoggi/index.html
Wow fuck off
No, the Top Secret audio and video of a US resident being brutally tortured, mutilated, and murdered in a diplomatic consulate by a Saudi kill team connected directly to the Crown Prince and implicating the President of the United States is not public, and probably never will be, for so many reasons that writing them all would require a lunch break. We know it exists, however, as it has been received, reviewed, and publicly acknowledged as depicting what the Turkish government claim it depicts by US intelligence services.
I understand what you are saying, however even just a non graphic clip of the events leading up to the murder would be nice. We also had evidence of Sadam having WMD's that was taken and reviewed by officials and then released as such by mass media, we also had evidence that implicated Assad using weapons in Douma before an investigation even began that ended up being non conclusive, so you can see my point that taking these things from granted can't really fly anymore and we should take more responsibility as a people to hold these things under the spotlight.
Not that I"m at all doubting the murder in any way, I'm just not a fan of taking these things as fact based on some rhetoric from officials, especially considering that this is the first time I have heard about VIDEO evidence being brought to the table, when it was previously audio only.
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