Super Smash Bros General v15: Grinch Movie 2018 Debate Thread - Games

PLEASE SPOILER TAG ANY LEAKS/RUMORS OF UNANNOUNCED CONTENT https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/190497/52185084-363b-45b9-b16f-18cb5a0eaece/image.png Super Smash Bros. is a popular crossover platform-fighting game series produced and published by Nintendo. Directed by Kirby creator Masahiro Sakurai, SSB brings together various Nintendo series and pits them against each other in an all-star battle. The gameplay of the Super Smash Bros. series is unique. None of the characters have health bars, for one thing. Rather, they all have a damage gauge. When a character is attacked, their damage gauge increases, which in turn makes them weaker and easier to knock off the stage. Falling off of the stage results in a KO. Another unique aspect of SSB is that, unlike most fighting games, characters' movesets are very simplistic. Each character has their own set of ground and aerial attacks, which can be directed with the control stick. Tapping the control stick in one direction and holding the attack button charges up a smash attack, which is quite useful for knocking opponents off the stage. Characters also have four special moves, which can be activated by pressing the special move button and holding the control stick up, sideways, down, or leaving it neutral. If you've never played a smash brothers game, but are thinking about it, then now is the best time too! There are so many resources available on how to play each game and with the growing popularity of platform fighters, there's a bunch of games in the same style as Smash, such as Rivals of Aether, Icons, and many more. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/190497/fdf84956-edd7-4e7e-a9e6-2a3b3a8e0910/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/190497/b36a9edc-82dd-4032-8436-380eafee484c/image.png Super Smash Bros. (Nintendo All-Star! Dairantō Smash Brothers) Platform: Nintendo 64, Virtual Console (Wii) Original release date: JP: January 21st, 1999 NA: April 26th, 1999 EU: November 12th, 1999 The game from 1999 that started it all. Released on the Nintendo 64, Super Smash Bros is often overlooked today, but on its release proved wildly popular. Most people play the American NTSC version (due to bugs that are in the game, higher frame rate, consistency across regions), it's well worth playing it for a different experience to the other Smash Brothers. One of the key differences is the abundance of 0 - death combos. You can be carried across from one side of the stage all the way to the other in a single string, it's nuts. However, due to a smaller roster of 12 players, every character is mostly viable. This means you can play, have fun and not worry too much about the intricacies of the game when you play casually. Read more about getting into Smash 64 https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/190497/7360376c-b858-467f-aad0-30daead4824e/image.png Super Smash Bros. Melee (Dairantō Smash Brothers DX) Platform: Nintendo GameCube Release date: JP: November 21st, 2001 NA: December 3rd, 2001 EU: May 24th, 2002 AU: May 31st, 2002 The most well known of the series, Melee has established itself with a huge competitive community even after 14 years since its release, featuring at huge FGC events such as EVO. That's not just why people play it though, they play it because it's an incredibly fun, technical game. Nothing is quite like landing rests against your friends, or performing a Falcon Punch to Knee for the first time against a CPU. Melee has 26 playable characters, so you will always be able to find someone to suit your play style. If you don't want to play against people, there are numerous single player modes. 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It features a strong single player campaign, a huge amount of content and several now fan-favourite new characters. It was also the first of the series to feature online play, although the quality of this online was debatable. Brawl these days is mostly unplayed competitively, due to the slower gameplay. However despite this, the strong singleplayer experience makes the game still worth playing today. There is also Project M, a comprehensive mod for Brawl which makes the gameplay more in-line with Melee's gameplay, as well as offering a ton of brand new custom content for stages, characters and more. It brings back gameplay features such as wave dashing, quick movement and large ad-hoc combos across the stage. 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While the gameplay is not as fast as that of Melee,it definitely is a lot of fun to play, since many issues that Brawl had were fixed and it having a faster gamespeed than its predecessor. Counting every character, including DLC, Smash 4 has 58 different playable characters and a plethora of stages to play on. Of course it still has classic and all-star mode like the previous titles did as single player content, with a few added modes such as Smash Run, Smash Tour, or Master/Crazy Orders, but it lost adventure mode, which has been around since melee. But even with some content being cut, it still has an overwhelming amount of new additions that make the game amazingly fun to play. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/190497/636a54b9-001d-44c0-b7d0-798ee800aacc/image.png Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (Dairantō Smush Brothers SPECIAL) Platform: Nintendo Switch Projected release date (WW): December 7th, 2018 On June 12th 2018, Super Smash Bros. 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40 days to pass Yet the grinch stays relevant Relief is ahead

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To reiterate what I said in the last thread- I was wrong, they DID copyright, but they also did it 10 years ago. It's an obligation they have to do. Nintendo is listed, yeah, but in the history section, meaning not now.

Should have been "I'll make you eat those words" or "I found you, faker!" since Shadow is among those leaked characters

The movie is going to be watchable but forgettable. Just like every other illumination movie.

Maria, this is what you wanted, right? This is my promise I made to you.

You know what would make me laugh? If Incineroar is actually in the game, but he’s just one of the Pokémon that can appear from the Poké Ball. I don’t know whether I should’ve tagged this since it’s not talking about a character from the recent leak, but I'm not taking any chances.

The Smash community right now (not spoiled because there is none of the characters in the leak on it) https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1883/d392fd0f-394f-41a6-a65b-df1537af2bed/image.png

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So, its long since past the point when leaks this substantial are outed as fake. I'm definitely on team real at this point, even if I'm not one hundred percent certain. The problem team fake's position doesn't pass Occam's Razor: it's a much simpler and more plausible explanation that it was a real leak and the employee was lying about not being involved, cause he was fucking stupid and still wants his job. The only other option is that this is the single most masterful fake leak of all time, and while I suppose its not impossible, it's far harder to believe now that the leaker also has to be an impostor of the actual employee, if is indeed fake. Because how the fuck did they manage to get pictures of inside a corporate workplace if they don't actually work there? I suppose its possible leaker just happened to know somebody who worked there, and asked if he could take a quick tour and take a few photos for a "harmless little project" - but then his real identity should have leaked by now. Because the real employee must have been asking around from day one onward if anybody brought a friend to visit in recent months: it's his fucking job on the line. Surely he'd want to prove the identity of the faker as quickly as possible so he can get back to his life.

Was going to post a tweet by a Game Informer writer saying it's fake but I was too late. https://twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1055958370149031943

Posting as food for thought: https://twitter.com/artsyomni/status/1055956194232295424 https://twitter.com/artsyomni/status/1055956646432829440 https://twitter.com/artsyomni/status/1055957057692667906

So. Is this saying this gives the leak some credibility or more towards fake? Sorry I am just getting confused on what he is trying to say.

hes trying to say merging all the pictures together from every battlefield gives how much room the guy has to fake characters,

Streamable ^Some more evidence that it might be the real deal, some of the missing features of the background are actually still there, just blurred heavily by artifacting.

I think he's implying it's fake, but he leaves it to your own conclusions. But, I did hear from someone else the Reddit mural thread (which came before those tweets) acts as a counter in some way. I'm trying to cover both angles, so that if any supposed fake attributes are actually real (or vice versa), it can be discussed.

It's him showing a way to disprove it.

Ok I get it now. But they did notice that the leaked banner was made longer to accommodate the smash logo right? Giving more room to move characters around?

Yeah, he said in a later tweet that if it turns out there's massive patches that would have to be filled in to match the real background, then it's more likely that this is a real leak, and the development team has indeed made some changes to Battlefield for the final release. Because otherwise there would be massive discrepancies beyond the ones that have been pointed out - and as far as we know, there aren't.

My only question is, assuming it's real (and he'll even if it isn't to a point) why would this guy risk his career with this leak? What's the guy's endgame? Is making the Smash community go nuts worth potentially never working in his field again? Someone help me out here I can't comprehend

To own Nintentards

Faking a smash leak to own the libs Nintentards epic style.

If I remember the story right, he sent a snapchat video to his friends. One of his friends saved it, poorly blotted out his name, then leaked it. So it wasn't the guy who works at the company who leaked it, technically.

Spitefulness and a disregard of how sensitive the information is. It's not like leaks haven't happened before. A large amount of Pokemon Gen 5's roster was leaked from an internal source for no benefit to themselves besides 15 minutes of anonymous fame and the ESRB leak for SSB4 was similar.

To be honest, I could care less about leakers. I like leaks, because I like to know things ASAP. I understand people wanting to discover things as they play and the like, but, not my cup of tea. I'd rather know details now than speculate. And I get enjoyment that way, so I'd rather not be told I'm not enjoying things as I should. Fuck telling others how they should enjoy things. I do not think people who don't want to look at spoilers are forced to look at them. It could help if leakers weren't as a rule jackasses, but hey, that's the kind of person who would violate trust. Although anon leakers who don't make a fuss tend to be vindicated.

This is my favorite smash bros leak because it has my favorite character in it (The Grinch).

I just wanna point out that the tweet he originally posted was about the trademark stuff that was legitimately disproven- as easy as it would be to claim corruption at GI, this was not one of those cases.

Interesting anecdote - Shadow the Hedgehog had their trademark renewed on the same day as Mach Rider https://twitter.com/_Mizumi/status/1055945086364803074 https://twitter.com/HawkLiam/status/1055945165041475584 https://twitter.com/Walllessrose/status/1055948340691529728 Trying really hard to stay grounded, but some... interesting signs are aligning up.