• Pick up poo or we take the dog: Chinese city rolls out 'social credit' system fo
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/30/pick-poo-take-dog-chinese-city-rolls-social-credit-system-pet/
I'm ok with fines, but taking away the dog? What the fuck... Also, only one dog per person.
Maybe the Chinese population is so barbaric that the communist party has decided that the only (or most optimal) way to reform it is through this social credit. If so, that's sad, and really fucked up. I'm pretty sure they just want control though.
That's part of it, China has found its self with a middle class overnight that still act like poor dirt farmers.
I cant wait until this gets either mistakenly used and dogs get imroperly taken or for it to be abused for extortion. If the government tried to take my dog, I'd probably end up dead because I just wouldn't let it happen.
I think it's also fucked up to refer to the whole of China's population as barbaric. Come on man
I don't anyone should be okay with anything China does because they do absolutely everything for the worst possible reasons.
Government has been ruling most aspects of their lives for the past 4000 years. I don't think it'll change anytime soon.
It's almost certainly primarily for control above all else.
Dogs are not allowed to play in public water fountains, and they are banned from government buildings, public transport, schools, hospitals, parks, public squares, gyms, hotels restaurants, markets and shopping centres. so... where can you walk your dog...
I'm looking at it from the lens of the communist party.
I have never met a mainland Chinese person who sees me as a human. They have always backstabbed me, I am nothing more than an asset in their eyes. It's not entirely their fault though. When you grow up in such a toxic society ran by sociopaths that view people as objects for so many generations, it's no wonder so many of its inhabitants become shitty people who don't know how to care about others.
Man authoritarianism is "shitty"
To the kitchen
China has had notoriously shitty governments, each trying to out-shit the other.
The Yulin Dog Meat Festival must be around the corner and they're low on meat
I can only assume due to a mix of culture and the typical sociopaths that make their way to leadership positions.
So what about when people are shitting in the street then, basically impossible to go a week without seeing it in china.
Because they all want to be the Chinese Empire, even when they don't have an imperial government. The strategy changes but the politics always stay the same.
I don't like having to post, but after seeing the posts earlier I feel the need to. Mainland China is in such a pinch, because the entire social order, norms, morals and all what made "China" truly a refined civilization that the rest of the Asia and the world used to learn and look up highly to, was heavily damaged by the Chicom Party because lmao and muh internationale. There are also civilized well-behaved mainlanders, they are not the majority. There's a reason you don't see these stories coming from the ROC (Taiwan), Hong Kong, and overseas Chinese areas. The posts about wanting to "be the Chinese Empire" and "governments trying to outshit each other" are ignorant and stereotypical, the ROC (or more specifically the actual patriotic members of the KMT) was doing what it could to make the broken mess that China was (and still is) into a modernized republic that also kept its traditional roots intact, modern-day Taiwan was basically built and is what it is today owing to that mindset. For the article, the Chicom doesn't really know anything other than brute-force, and since the majority of the population has been conditioned to fearing authority and this is basically the CCP's way of trying to make everyone behave. That, and the mainland mindset is basically stuck in the Lmao-era of thinking.
As someone who's had a decent number of first-generation Chinese immigrant friends and acquaintances and has studied 20th century Chinese history at a relatively surface level, my perspective is that Chinese culture is just fucked, just completely fucked and it's 100% the fault of the various governments that China has had throughout the past few centuries. China kept feudalism until SHOCKINGLY recently, and the replacement CCP government has made things much, much worse by trying to adapt Marxism to a mostly rural, agrarian society that hadn't really seen its own industrial revolution through to the end yet. Not to mention that in the past few decades, the CCP's solution to pretty much every problem is to launch invasive, authoritarian "social reform" programs that never really work but totally screw up social values in the process, and the CCP maintains power through cult of personality and a culture of general social mistrust. You can see the difference when you compare the two Chinas together, the PRC and ROC. Taiwan's modernization was and is a natural progression, mostly driven by economics. The PRC's push for modernization has been way harder but they're so authoritarian and heavy-handed that they just can't seem to stop shooting themselves in the knees with an automatic shotgun. At my university the Chinese students generally stuck to themselves and a lot of them resisted American influence as hard as they could, but I met quite a lot of them who found themselves sort of "waking up" to how a society should actually naturally function without the government trying to induce social change with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. America seems pretty bad these days but our social problems have absolutely nothing on theirs.
I wouldn't say Chinese culture is fucked, what you see right now in the mainland is arguably not China anymore. But a corrupted twisted version brought by Chicom rule. Actual Chinese culture lives on in the ROC, Hong Kong, and overseas. And also some areas within mainland China that were not touched (or at least not really) by the Cultural Revolution. The ROC on Taiwan is a perfect example of what a successful modernization could have brought to the mainland, modern industry, economy while also keeping the traditional spirit and soul of China. (although the strong Chinese cultural focus in the ROC has waned nowadays due to democratization compared to back in the day). I also wouldn't say it was completely the fault of the government, excluding the Qing and CCP. (though the Qing has at least the honor of at least trying to fix itself, even if it was too little too late) Though the post-NorthExp ROC govt on the mainland did have its problems, I would say the majority, or almost all of its problems were all inherited from the previous late Qing and Warlord eras, or historical circumstances, and were not "added" as a consequence of the KMT ideology of San Minn Jhuyi or Three Principles of the People. There were too little people like Chiang Kai-shek who were actually strongly nationalist and strived for a better China, then add to that foreign meddling, communist rebellion and Japanese encroachment. I would encourage you to study more about the history, just be sure to consider all the various factors and also be wary of Chicom-propaganda, I personally can see the influence of it in many Western 'educational' videos on the topic.
I mean a bit of both. Some of my PRC friends described modern-day Chinese mainland culture to incorporate the worst aspects of traditional Chinese culture, Communist values, and capitalist values. The CCP seems to have done a good job of stamping out real social progress.
Personally I believe its influence and damage can be reversed and repaired, while it may not be easy, it is definitely possible, it will require an sizable effort from all Chinese both outside and within mainland China, but it is definitely doable. The CCP must first go though
I don't see this happening, for all their faults they're incredibly good at information control and it's probably next to impossible for the people to openly protest or overthrow anything. They're very afraid of losing power. Not that I recommend revolution, revolutions don't work
I dunno, I personally think a move away from authoritarianism is a natural part of better educated populous. The commies are clearly trying to avoid this through information control but I'm not sure they'll succeed in the long run.
I guess all we can do is wait and see. Foreign intervention is impossible.
I would agree for the most part. Running a propaganda campaign might have some effect. The commies might treat it as war though and it will definitely increase tensions.
I think it will happen eventually, maybe this sounds too philosophical, but the way they rule is fundamentally screwed, this ensures that their rule must and will fall as a consequence one day. There are also a lot more dissidents in mainland China than most would think, the problem is there is no organized movement and there is still fear of authority; although at the same time the newer generations are starting to lose that exact fear of authority that struck older generations. I understand the point that revolutions usually do more harm than any good, and I am aware of the risks it poses to China as a whole that way, but it might be the only real option when confronted with the PRC, although there are also a lot of other factors and methods to consider. From my view, most of the viable options seem to involve uprising or rebellion. I also think a united global Chinese effort is needed for this to happen, preferably under ROC organization as the ROC has real uniting power throughout all major Chinese areas including the mainland, although our little island is currently busy having an identity crisis.
I remembered another bizarre event from my studies. The CCP was interested in actually putting the "commune" in communism and making rural agricultural villages their own self-sustaining communes. The goal was to reduce rural dependency on mass-produced products from the cities. (The merit of turning back the clock on the industrial revolution is pretty questionable to begin with but whatever.) Part of the plan involved phasing out the nuclear family structure and instead making everybody in a village cook communal meals, clean communal dishes, and let children be raised by the entire village, not just their parents. You can guess how well that worked out. The worse aspect of this was the idea that villages needed to start forging their own metal tools and cookware, so the government instructed villages to construct several "backyard furnaces" of uniform design per village. With these they'd smelt their own steel. The idea was that since meals were now communal, less cookware was needed, so everybody could just toss in their newly unused cookware into the furnaces to manufacture steel. The catch is that the "steel" the furnaces produced was 100% unusable because they couldn't reach a high enough temperature. They weren't smelting steel, but instead pig iron, which is absolutely useless. Since entire villages pretty much threw away half of their cookware and tools, demand for mass-produced steel items actually fuckin increased. Even worse, the backyard furnaces were very labor-intensive and drew labor away from farming, directly contributing to the Great Chinese Famine I mentioned earlier. The CCP didn't notice the furnaces didn't work for over a year.
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