• German Jews call for anti-Semitism classes for Muslim immigrants
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https://www.dw.com/en/german-jews-call-for-anti-semitism-classes-for-muslim-immigrants/a-46152809
Probably needed in all countries including the US to be quite honest.Antisemitism is a natural part of being a Muslim in the majority of cases. We do see cases such as just the other day where Muslims raised money for the Synagogue that got attacked but that's an extremely rare exception. That said, how effective it will be, I'm not sure.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
Not really unique to Muslims though. There's a reason why antisemitism is called the oldest hatred, it's been around for as long as Judaism has, and it's on the rise yet again.
Do you think it would be worldwide headlines if this happened regularly? Especially considering the shooter wasn't a Muslim? If you were to ask 100 Muslim in most middle eastern countries to donate money to the families of dead Jews you would most likely be laughed at in your face. I will try, but as with anything, proving the absence of something is inherently difficult, because it's hard to document something that rarely happens.
Muslims in general, probably not - I doubt German-born Muslims are any more predisposed to antisemitism than German-born Christians. It does seem like a sensible thing to do with immigrants from countries with widespread antisemitism, like most of the Middle East - just part of acclimation and integration. Of course, it would also be a good idea to have classes in normal schools about "this is why movements based on hating any specific minority are bullshit, here's how to avoid falling for them" - not just anti-jew stuff, make the lesson generic so it can even cover hating groups that don't exist yet. The need for it is obvious, given the rise of hate groups in the US.
Agreed, my intention wasn't to make classes for those Muslims that have lived in the US or Europe for maybe 3-4+ generations to attend these courses but new migrants and even possibly 2nd and 3rd generation. In the UK we see alot of antisemitism in London and the like from 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims because obviously it's an issue. Colleagues I worked with who are Egyptian Muslims were telling me about songs they used to sing about Jews in school, none of which were very positive. In fact I was sitting with two when news came out that Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israels capital and they were visibly excited and smiling that a large scale conflict against Israel would start. Anecdotal, I know, but if these two moderate Muslims (working at a tech company) were so excited about such a prospect, I think it's rather safe to extrapolate these feelings are felt widely across the board.
Arab Muslim countries hate Jews because they feel that the Jews stole Palestine from the Muslim Arabs to make Israel. This is pretty common knowledge.
It's also a religion with nearly 2 billion people and the vast majority of Muslims aren't actually from the middle east.
It unfortunately doesn't change all that much. Indonesia for example, home to 13% (if I recall correctly) of the worlds Muslim population has just as much antisemitism and is affected with the same political happenings in the Arab world. >It is not easy to be Jewish in the world’s largest Muslim-majority country but it is even harder this year, as anti-Semitic sentiment has grown since Donald Trump’s announcement that the US would move its embassy in Israel to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. Jerusalem is holy to both Jews and Muslims, as well as Christians. > Hardline Islamists organised mass protests in Jakarta and top Indonesian leaders rebuked Israel. “Every time the Israel-Palestine issue flares up, it gets harder for us to live in Indonesia,” said Mr Verbrugge. Source (Financial Times) The Muslim population in Europe and the US by and large has Arab roots, so when you say they live all over the world, you'd be right, but all loads lead to Rome and the traditions and sentiments are shared pretty widely.
Germany's Central Council of Jews on Sunday called for education among new Muslim immigrants to combat anti-Semitism. Vice President Abraham Lehrer told the Protestant Press Service that he expects anti-Semitism among immigrants to become more of a problem as they become more settled in Germany. "The problem of immigrant Arab-Islamic anti-Semitism still lies ahead of us. Many of these people were influenced by regimes in which anti-Semitism is part of the rationale of the state and the Jewish state is denied the right to existence," Lehrer said. Their intention isn't pure definition of "anti-semitism" as in hating Jews, it's the new definition of anti-semitism of anti-semitism that various influence groups are trying to push that includes any criticism of Israel, which means this is entirely political rather than about integration.
But It literally does happen often Muslims come out and speak against extremism and fund raise for these things incredibly often. The news is just ignored or people just go "Do you think this would be headlines if this happened regularly?"
reminded me of that one time a girl was told all muslims are terrorists which inspired her to make a 712 page google doc listing thousands of sources of muslims speaking out against terrorism https://twitter.com/caveheraa/status/797322435255304192 Which in turn inspired this website https://muslimscondemn.com/about
I will not stop hating isreal even if you label me an anti semite. That is all this is
Not all people who hate Israel are antisemitic. But today, antisemitism often masquerades as itself as "just" anti-Zionism.
Something to consider: anti-zionism and opposition to Israel are different things. Zionism is simply the principle of self determination of nations in the specific context of the Jewish people. Being anti-Israel is not inherently antisemitic, being anti-zionist is unless you oppose the self determination of all nations.
I don't know nearly enough about it to criticise it, but Zionism is strange to me because it seems to be the idea of a nation built on race and religion? Generally you want to keep those out of politics, let alone creating an entire nation around them.
Pardon my curiosity and I hope this doesn't come across as condescending, but how old are you? This is an honest question borne of honest curiosity. Although it's less popular in modern secular nations, the idea of ethnoreligious nationalism was quite popular through the 20th century, in fact its clash against imperialism was the driving force behind the majority of conflicts that occurred in that time. It's falling off in relevance now that we're moving to multicultural globalism, but it was the main reason for most nations that were established over the past 100 years.
The fact you're asking makes me feel like an idiot. But, 24. I've studied history pretty extensively for 10 years or so and I mean you're right now I think about it, just never really occurred to me that something like the Arab revolt or the Easter uprising would've have actually had religious motivations somewhat similar to the creation of Israel.
Jew, christian and heretic hatred is in the Quran, why is anyone surprised. Westerners hold up their hands and shrug as to why anti-semitism is rising, yet won't link the mass immigration of muslims into the west as the probable cause. Here's a interesting read if you want to educate yourself on what the Quran says about the jews: Chosen or Cursed
have you read the piece? it petty much goes against your very first sentence Some Muslims, in reaction to the manifesto, argued that a literal reading of the Quran is the reason for misunderstanding its attitude towards Jews; modern-day Muslims, they claim, should read the Quran symbolically not literally. However, the real problem concerns the cherry picking and misinterpretation of certain verses about Jews while turning a blind eye to others which praise Jews. A proper and thorough reading of the Quran — one that takes into account all of the verses on the subject — shows that the Quran is not anti-Semitic. According to the Quran, no race and no peoples are ontologically superior to others. Indeed, the Quran (49:11) warns believers against belittling other people groups: “O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them.”
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