U.S. Law Enforcement Failed to See the Threat of White Nationalism - Sensationalist Headlines

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/magazine/FBI-charlottesville-white-nationalism-far-right.html https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ZybJcmFDTyqGbXXuyil6sPcqDEk=/0x0:738x383/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:738x383):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9371549/Domestic_terrorism_incidents_by_type.png From the New York Times article: White supremacists and other far-right extremists have killed far more people since Sept. 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremist. The Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism has reported that 71 percent of the extremist-related fatalities in the United States between 2008 and 2017 were committed by members of the far right or white-supremacist movements. Islamic extremists were responsible for just 26 percent. Data compiled by the University of Maryland’s Global Terrorism Database shows that the number of terror-related incidents has more than tripled in the United States since 2013, and the number of those killed has quadrupled. In 2017, there were 65 incidents totaling 95 deaths. In a recent analysis of the data by the news site Quartz, roughly 60 percent of those incidents were driven by racist, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, antigovernment or other right-wing ideologies. Left-wing ideologies, like radical environmentalism, were responsible for 11 attacks. Muslim extremists committed just seven attacks. These statistics belie the strident rhetoric around “foreign-born” terrorists that the Trump administration has used to drive its anti-immigration agenda. They also raise questions about the United States’ counterterrorism strategy, which for nearly two decades has been focused almost exclusively on American and foreign-born jihadists, overshadowing right-wing extremism as a legitimate national-security threat. “We’re actually seeing all the same phenomena of what was happening with groups like ISIS, same tactics, but no one talks about it because it’s far-right extremism,” says the national-security strategist P. W. Singer, a senior fellow at the New America think tank. “They only wanted to talk about Muslim extremism,” he says. But even before the Trump administration, he says, “we willingly turned the other way on white supremacy because there were real political costs to talking about white supremacy.”

Fucking hell there needs to be a new word invented for the amount of hypocrisy/projecting that comes from the far right. It's absoutely absurd how much shit they chant "the others" do that they end up doing MORE of.

It was obvious that law enforcement was fucking clueless and totally misunderstood the extremist-right domestic terrorism threat by the fact that the FBI not only let the participants of the 2014 Nevada Standoff get away with pointing firearms at federal officers (that's a felony act), but fucked up the prosecution and had the charges against the Bundys dropped with prejudice (meaning they can't be retried and officially have gotten away with defying the federal government). Here was an obvious case of a militia unlawfully occupying federal land and pointing weapons at FBI agents and they were treated with kid gloves and got off without punishment. This exact level of limpdick response is what enabled the Malheur Refuge Standoff to happen and caused the death of one man and a ludicrous amount of damage to the site, including disrupting a previously-undisturbed Indian burial site. I wouldn't have wanted the FBI to go in there and Waco the Nevada standoff, but they fucked it all up and sent a message to insurrection-minded white supremacists and other anti-establishment types that you can get away with it as long as you're white.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/homeland-security-fell-for-youtube-videos-about-antifa-civil-war?ref=scroll related. Charlottesville being planned openly and announced: police: 😴 https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/309/243/8ff.jpg police: 🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓🚨🚓

"US Law Enforcement Failed to See Threat of White Nationalism" https://youtu.be/kI7F-x9tC_w?t=8

Not trying to discredit or distract from the points made in the article, but separating domestic terrorism into just "left-wing, right-wing, and islamic" seems to be a bit reductive.

Probably due to the extensive infiltration by the far right into our media, intelligence community, and lower levels of law enforcement.

All categorization is reductive. If you wanted a perfectly accurate chart, you'd list every incident separately. The level of categorization seems reasonable. Islamic terrorism is clearly distinct from the other two. Right-wing terrorism is usually a blend of several issues - white supremacy, anti-semitism, anti-lgbt, anti-abortion, and general "fuck the government"-ism - and the way those causes coincide is good reason to lump them together. If anything, the left-wing terrorism might want to be split up, because it combines several not-closely-related causes - ecoterrorism, anti-trumpism, anti-christian, and non-islamic black supremacy. But then you'd be seeing "categories" consisting of single incidents, which defeats the purpose of making categories.

Putting things into categories is always reductive, but it seems reasonable to me on the whole. I mean, one could argue that Islamist attacks are definitely far-right, but it's different enough that it's understandable why they listed them the way they did.

Yeah, especially because "right-wing" and "islamic" have some massive degree of overlap when you get into fundamentalism, etc.

Basically what happened is that the FBI had infiltrated the group with so many informants that it became too difficult to tell if the group's actions were being taken autonomously by members or if members were encouraged to act by FBI informants. If the latter is the case it would fall under entrapment which is illegal and you cannot be prosecuted for it. So without being able to tell if the group was acting alone or influenced by the FBI, they were forced to throw the case out since they could not disprove entrapment.

Pretty sure left wing terrorism is much higher than that.still, article is pointless scare mongering. Crazy people on far left or right really cannot be considered to represent either movement.

hello please submit a list of left-wing terrorist incidents in the united states over the last 20 years thank you

I mean, do you have any evidence? Because there are things like the Global Terrorism Database that compiles all reported acts of terrorism, and assessed that 73% of ideologically motivated murder is committed by right wing extremists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States The reason this is news is because we've got a president who doesn't hesitate to generalize entire groups of people as rapists and murderers, and it's not an unfounded assertion that that kind of rhetoric is what breeds such violence from the right. If anyone wants to talk about terrorism as a danger to america, right wing terrorism would be the most important place to start.

Based on what, your random biases and whims? If you think their methodology is flawed or you have other studies which call these findings into questions please share, but it sounds like you're just speaking completely out of your ass. Also while obviously the violent portion of the right is not representative of the vast majority of the right, the extreme amount of right wing violence is a direct result of right wing media misinformation and calls for violence from demagogues like our own president. Just because most republicans are normal people like anybody else doesn't mean trends towards higher extremism and violence aren't indicative of major problems in the party.

All facts not from Trump or Fox News are fake. I know that because he told us. Get owned libtard.

Left Wing terrorism has been on the decline since the 70's, when most of the groups were destroyed from within by stuff like COINTELPRO, fall of the Soviet Union, and constant need for identity politics leading to further divisions within groups and their leaderships. The reality is that right-wing extremism is on the rise due to the fact that many on the far-right feel backed into the corner by swift and sudden changes in society as a whole. Think of it like how the far-right reacted in Spain during the 20's ~ 35' and you got the right idea. For the most part, the US Government is unable to do a whole lot because they are severely co-opted by agents of far-right groups. Be it groups from the Militia Movement, political groups trying to push fascism/far-right beliefs, or just individuals who willingly leak any activities to people with similar belief sets. I do suspect that tit-for-tat terrorism will start to gain traction as violence becomes the "norm" of politics.

I wouldn't call the civil and labor rights activists of the 70s as terrorists. It was the state who was imprisoning and assassinating anyone they deemed subversive or too left-leaning. And it's no secret that the program was racist and whose primary targets were minorities. And you're really going to excuse right wing extremism by saying the 'world has changed to fast' or they're upset with identity politics? Are you serious? If that's true then I have nothing to worry about because what a flimsy excuse for a movement. Right-wing extremism is fueled by little more than racism and bigotry and that doesn't matter what type of world we live in or whatever my neighbor wants to be a man, woman or anything in between. The U.S. was built on racism and has continued since its inception to foster it. We can only work to minimize it's damage and not give excuses to literal nazis as to why their behavior is justified.

You do have a point that left-wing terrorism has been in long decline, and much of that is attributable to the fall of the Soviet Union. Communist terrorists aren't a thing anymore, not in the US. And you have another point that the US government is hampered in its ability to combat right-wing extremism because half the time it's run by right-wing extremists. But I think the rest your analysis is deeply flawed. How do you explain the vast decrease in ecoterrorism? What does identity politics have to do with any of it? Your explanation for why right-wing terrorism is flourishing in particular doesn't mesh with the facts. The aspects of society that are changing aren't the ones people are killing over. Nobody's blowing up Amazon warehouses because globalization and automation are eroding upward social mobility, they're blowing up Planned Parenthood clinics because cable news and their local megachurch spewed out conspiracy nonsense about baby parts being sold for cash.

Name some left wing terrorists (No antifa are not terrorists just because they wear black, antifa is reaction based) Seriously name fucking ONE group or invididual.

Devil’s Advocate: That one guy that shot that one Republican senator at a baseball game. Um. That’s it. Now the other side: Just in a month’s time alone we had bombs sent to major political figures and two former Presidents by a MAGA obsessed maniac, a synagogue shot up and several people killed by an rabid anti-semite echoing propaganda given out by a major news network and the fucking president, and a yoga studio where two women were murdered by a radicalized incel. Hm, yeah, those lefty terrorists. What will we ever do.

Prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that left wing terrorism is much higher than that and I will delete my account.

I will too lmao

The thing is the entire right will be offended if you do what they did with the "radical Muslim terrorism" thing.

That graph is crazy. Why isn't this talked about more? I get we've been having a right-wing terrorist problem for a long time since Oklahoma City but that was spurred on by tragic events like Waco and Ruby Ridge where both parties were at fault, but there hasn't been any sort of event like that in forever yet we still get these crazy lone-gunman right wingers.

So we should slow down change to preserve the far-right's precious feelings? Give them a little more breathing room? You're hiding apologism in explanation.

calm down nerd, its not worth getting into a fit over. James T Hodgkinson. 2017. Took me one second of googling.

The folks I'm talking about relating to the 70's would be the 8200+ bombings that occurred from 70' ~ 73' which was mostly Left Wing. All of that slowed down by the 80's in part to COINTELPRO and other operations which specifically targeted those groups and caused them to splinter among themselves. Also please realize I'm just refering to what has happened historically as to give some form of allegory. In no way do I condone political/ideologically driven terrorism against civilians. Groups like Individualidades Tendiendo a lo Salvaje[ITS], have been active in recent years in the regards of ecoterror. Stuff like ALF and ELF are still active and still bomb pipes periodically. Identity Politics came into play with certain groups, but not all. Weather Underground basically ripped itself apart thanks to IDpol. Do things in increments. Never attempt to change things so radically that it causes a massive problem. Start with changing hearts and minds over three to five years, and then begin pushing legislation with regards to things which have become normally accepted. Ya' know... How we have sorta done most things regarding civil rights.

The right controls the majority of state governor mansions, the majority of state legislatures, the executive branch, both chambers of congress (for now), and has a 5 person bloc on the Supreme Court. If this is what the far-right looks like when it's "backed into a corner" then I fear for the future of our country when things swing back to favor Democrats.

the was that one girl that poured milk on a republican