• Norwegian Frigate partly sinks after collision with tanker
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https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-46139927/norwegian-frigate-helge-ingstad-lists-after-collision https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/08/norwegian-warship-at-risk-of-sinking-after-collision-with-oil-tanker.html It's pretty much on its side now. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/89/d998433e-466e-4c35-9e13-41fa13e0a53d/side.png A Norwegian Navy frigate carrying a crew of 137 was rammed by a tanker while in a harbor on the country's west coast Thursday, tearing a hole in its side, the military said. Eirik Walle, of Norway’s rescue centre, told Norwegian news agency NTB that the collision caused an opening in the frigate’s hull and “it is taking in more water than they can pump out. There is no control over the leak and the stern is heavily in the sea”.
I hope that the injured crew makes a speedy recovery and that the captain of the tanker is prosecuted.
I remember leaving port once and the pilot setting up the ballast wrong on the ship, and we started leaning to the side by quite a bit. It was kind of scary, especially in a cargo ship with hundreds of containers all piled up by almost as much as the ship's bridge. This though... Holy shit.
Since this for some reason isn't mentioned in the op. The captain intentionally ordered the ship to run a ground after flooding was out of control to prevent her from sinking. While this means the ship most likely will never return the service and end up as a parts boat for the other three frigates in the Royal Norwegian Navy, it did save the lives of the crew.
Well that's one entire naval budget out the window
The tanker's owner is going to be paying for this I'm sure since it seems like the tanker was at fault.
rammed by a tanker while in a harbor on the country's west coast did they not have lookouts at all? was their radar off?
Yeah, how and why was a tanker allowed to get that close
Humanitarian reasons aside I imagine it's less expensive to salvage a beached vessel than one that's partially/fully submerged underwater.
I'd say it was a whole lot of carelesness.
Damn, that's a mean list. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17&v=t_8EIcjUsyc
while in a harbor Close proximity to other ships would mean ships being close all the time is not something to freak out about until its too late. Wait for a report on what actually happened.
Unfortunately that is looking increasingly unlikely. I doubt she will ever even sail under her own power again unless it's to the breakers, certainly not as a commissioned warship.
The frigate was in stealth mode, it was not visible on regular radars. The frigate was participating in the NATO military exercise "Trident Juncture" at the time of the incident.
Well this Trident Juncture exercise has been a completely mess, military personel arrests and holds someone with autism, this frigate goes in stealth mode, and crashes with a tanker and many got hurt. Some military people from europe got killed in an accident by a vehicle.
Russians have accidents on exercise too, like a helicopter salvo firing rockets into a car park, you just don't hear about it
It doesn't matter, by reporting it, makes NATO look weak.
Accidents involving large things like ships are kind of difficult to not make public. If you try just glossing over it and acting like it never happened, you're as bad as they are. The Russians are really in no position to laugh at NATO's mistakes, they fuck up all the time and it still gets reported. Just a few weeks ago, the only drydock they have that can fit their carrier sank, killing one or two workers and damaging the carrier when a crane fell onto it.
I agree.
With such amounts of material and logistics involved i'm not suprised there are more tbh. Not to mention the Russians probably have a shitload of accidents but it isn't reported on or they are super secretive about it.
No that is actually exactly WHEN you are hyper-vigilant
https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2018/11/latest-frigate-helge-ingstad-sinks The frigate has now completely sunk with only part of the AEGIS array above water
That is somewhat amusing on a certain level
Quoted because I just want everyone to see how you get rich: You make a budget for everything and stress about it. Also oil is always a safe bet.
As an update, she has now completely sunk
If they clean it up, might make a good reef
I doubt they will leave it, it's a military vessel with plenty of sensitive information onboard. If I had to guess it will probably be raised and taken to the breakers, there is no salvaging it without a complete refit, which is probably not an option seeing as the Norwegian navy barely has enough sailors to crew these ships as is.
Why should the tanker captain be prosecuted? The frigate was the one that rammed into the tanker despite clear warnings from both the coastal service and the oil tanker and being told to change course after they appeared. The Norwegian frigate refused to change course to avoid collision and the result is the loss of an extremely expensive vessel. The Norwegian navy is in the wrong here for their sheer incompetence. The Norwegian government also tried to hire an emergency salvage crew to save the ship but they haggled over the price and decided on a cheaper alternative (at which point it was far too late). I would argue that the Norwegian government probably ought to pay for any damage to the tanker as a consequence of the collision (though I doubt that there is much).
Here's the radio log for those fools who think the tanker is to blame: The communication of Sola TS and the coastal maritime traffic center Fedje VTS starts at 3 minutes 12 seconds before the collision. Sola TS is headed northbound at 6.4 knots. Measured on a Google Earth overlay, the ships are 1.18nm (2.18km) apart. The “unknown” ship is 0.66nm (1.22km) ashore. AIS Animation of The Accident 0:08 — Sola TS: Fedje VTS, this is Sola TS. 0:15 — Fedje VTS: Listening, Sola TS. 0:19 —Sola TS: I didn’t get the name, do you know which boat is coming here? 0:25 — Sola TS: I have it on port side. — 10 seconds silence. At this point Sola TS starts to accelerate and maneuver starboard probably to avoid a possible collision. But the tanker is big and slow to do both, it will reach 7.2 knots at around 2:07 in 42 seconds . 0:37 — Fedje VTS: No, it’s eh… I’ve not received any information about it. 0:43 — Fedje VTS: This wasn’t reported to me. 0:45 —Sola TS: I just see it on the screen here. Well, Fedje VTS command should also be seeing the approaching unknown ship on their screens, but they don’t seem to bother at all. 0:50 — Fedje VTS: No information about it. 0:56 — Sola TS: No? OK. 0:58 — Fedje VTS: No. We know that the AIS tracking of Helge Ingstad was turned of only until after the accident. Also, until the 47th second of the video (0:54) the unknown ship doesn’t have a speed vector on the radar. Only then, it appears at 0.0 knots, gradually shifting up to 17.4 knots by 1:30. The unknown ship was clearly not accelerating — it was already moving before the speed vector appeared — only that its speed became fully visible in the radar within these 36 seconds (probably a stealth navigating feature turned off). — 43 seconds silence. The unknown ship cruising at 17.4 knots, Sola TS now at 6.4 knots and accelerating. So the two ships are approaching each other at 23.8 knots or 44km/h. So a 43 seconds silence meant they were now around 500 meters closer to each other. 1:45 — Fedje VTS: Sola this is VTS. 1:53— Fedje VTS: It’s possible that it’s Helge Ingstad. 1:53 — Fedje VTS: He came in from the north for a while ago. It’s possible that it’s coming here. Only then Fedje VTS acknowledges that the unknown ship is a Norwegian navy frigate. Since Sola TS’ first contact with Fedje VTS, now the two ships are 1.2 km closer. They are a mere 1 km apart. 2:00 — Sola TS: Helge Ingstad, do you hear, this is Sola TS? 2:06 — Helge Ingstad: Helge Ingstad. 2:09 — Sola TS: Are you coming here now? 2:11 — Helge Ingstad: Yes, that’s right. 2:14 — Sola TS: Take starboard now! [Turn right in maritime jargon.] 2:17 — Helge Ingstad: Than we go to the nearest blocks. [Shore, reef?] Remember here that the frigate is still at least 1.2 km ashore, maybe some shallow water on the starboard side. But turning starboard 5 to 7 degrees and changing course should really be no big deal. Unless the frigate is not fully aware of its radar/GPS whereabouts. 2:21—Sola TS: Turn starboard, if you’re coming. — 7 seconds silence. [Means they’ll be 85 meters closer] 2:34 — Helge Ingstad: I turn a few degrees starboard we’ll pass eh… 2:38 — Helge Ingstad: …pass on starboard. At this moment Helge Ingstad and Sola TS should only be around 550–575 meters apart. Too late for a starboard turn? Not at all. Even at 400 meters apart, a 5 to 7 degree starboard turn by the frigate might have avoided the collision. 2:50 — Sola TS: Helge Ingstad, you have to do something. You are getting very close. 3:05 — Sola TS: Helge Ingstad. Turn! 3:10 —Sola TS: There will be collision here then. — 15 seconds silence. The moment of the collision. @ 3:19 — Probable time of collision (t) 04:01 Norwegian Time, 3:19 on the video. 3:26 — Sola TS: It could be a warship. I hit it. [Sola TS was not aware that Helge Ingstad is a Norwegian navy frigate, before the collision.] 3:36 — Fedje VTS: Understood. — 16 seconds silence. 3:54 — Tenax: It’s the tugboat, over. 4:02 — Fedje VTS: Yes, tugboat. 4:06 — Tenax: I think we have to call them... 4:11 — Tenax: The other tugboats may look at the damage here. 4:21 — Tenax: Lucky we have a few of them. 4:55 — Sola TS: Fedje VTS, this is Sola TS. 4:58 — Fedje VTS: Sola TS, I hear you. 5:00 — Do you have contact with the warship? No contact? 5:06 — Helge Ingstad: Hi, this is Helge Ingstad. 5:10 — Fedje VTS: Hi, this is VTS. Do you hear me? 5:13 — Helge Ingstad: Yes, I hear you good. 5:17 — Helge Ingstad: We’re located nearby, north of Hjeltefjorden. [Not Vetlefjorden as seen in the video] 5:25 — Helge Ingstad: We are alarmed. Trying to get control of the situation here. 5:30 — Fedje VTS: Yes, have you been in the collision at Sture? 5:34 — Helge Ingstad: Yes, that’s correct. 5:36 — Fedje VTS: OK. 5:37 — Fedje VTS: How many persons do you have on board? 5:40 — Helge Ingstad: We have 134 persons on board. 5:48 — Fedje VTS: Give me status on the situation ASAP then. 5:50 — Helge Ingstad: Yes, I’ll do it. 6:00 — Fedje VTS: Sola TS, this is VTS. How many on board? 6:05 — Sola TS: 23 on board. 7:34 — Fedje VTS: Helge Ingstad, this is VTS. 7:50 — Helge Ingstad: We’ve a situation, we ran into an unknown object. 4 minutes 30 seconds after the collision Helge Ingstad’s command is still unaware that they hit the oil tanker, Tesla TS. Where exactly they think they were? 7:56 — Helge Ingstad: We’ve no propulsion. 8:22— Helge Ingstad: Still not clear here, but we need immediate assistance. Radar Images & Audio Log of KNM Helge Ingstad Frigate — Sola TS .. For the record this is a full sized oil tanker, think 100+ kt, while the frigate is less than 5kt
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