Hasn't he done this once before? Man, such a prolific developer that became so damn thin-skinned because of his idiocy, like how Gears of War got pirated on PC so he called every single PC gamer a pirate and refused to let any more Gears games onto Windows until he left the company.
No one deserves that kind of failure. Feel nothing but sympathy for him.
He needs to suck it up. Lawbreakers was a fun and well made game that failed because it came out in oversaturated market, had poor marketing, had poor leadership, and had poor art direction which caused it to fail to stand out
i get cliffy b has been a dock in the past but at the same time gamers at large are pretty whiny assholes. (meaning the people who spend their days complaining about devs and harassing devs about their games on Twitter)
the people here on fp are pretty mature and reasonable compared to some of these kids I've seen on Twitter. can't blame him for not feeling the passion anymore.
We'll see. That claim could also be hyperbole. After all, his severance claim was a hyperbole (3 weeks isn't months) too.
If he focused on why his projects tend to overshoot and underperform instead of opinion farming, he'd probably be rolling in cash right now.
To be fair, the fact that you can spend real money on a game, and the studio is legally allowed to permanently make the game unplayable whenever they want, is absolutely atrocious.
Any game that requires a server connection to function is just counting down the days until nobody will ever be able to play it again.
He makes it sound like he and his family went hungry for the vidya.
After the embarrassment that was Radical Heights, would anyone even want to work with him
The dudes name is attached to titles like Gears and Unreal. These aren't small games. Unreal is one of the best early 00's series.
He'll live
nah, the people who actually do this to an extent where it's actually harassment are such a tiny minority that they're ultimately irrelevant. The devs themselves usually aren't irrelevant and i see way more people justify shitty products or bad dev behavior with "someone insulted their mum on twitter", than i see the actual "whiny assholery". Its basically popular right now to blame a game studio's failures and devs own bad behavior on random twitter trolls, it's shitty and is just another mark against this guy.
I mean, this is the way of capitalism. And it works.
Don't perform well enough, you get crushed.
Don't wanna get back up after a setback? Well you do whatever you want with your life good sir.
Also, I see that he supports the notion of measuring value of games with per hour entertainment. He should really think hard with his next steps.
Great news he's a hack
Lawbreakers was a good game tho, it was just horribly positioned in the market
good, he's a con artist. the end result of all of this is the people who spent $30 on his game have nothing to show for it. maybe i'd feel bad for him if he gave his customers some recourse by, you know, releasing their dedicated server software, or making listen servers an option.
Personally i played it with a friend early on before the "this is a massive failure" train got rolling and we both found the gameplay itself really shitty. I don't know what people saw in it, it wasn't a good UT style arena shooter because of the class based weapons and imbalanced interactions(especially the hitscan guy in low grav zone, i had people calling me a cheater first round i played), the abilities and stuff kinda just got in the way of more standard modes of gameplay without contributing, the general atmosphere including maps, character models and animations were hyper generic to the point of boredom.
Remember we are talking about gamers here. They might be a minority but for sure they can deal loads of damage if they are left unchecked, especially when it leaks to the real world in form of death threats, doxxing, stalking or even with making fake bomb warnings to the events the affected person attends. These people aren't trolls, they are much worse, and over all, real.
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https://twitter.com/therealcliffyb/status/1063213883475853315?s=19
While I consider that Cliffy has reached this ending by their own hand and that there's no need to twist more the knife in the wound, this is just a shitty excuse and indeed deserves to be called out no matter on which industry/job you are. You did sacrifices but so as well the rest of the team, they must be paid.
Cliffy B made Gears rights? Was that like his first major game release? I know the Gear games might've gotten dull over the installments, but the first one was amazing.
He needs to remember that, and stop giving up so easily.
He also did a lot of work on Unreal and Unreal Tournament
To me this is just like talking about how golfers are dangerous murderers because that's happened and is obviously more severe than anything you mentioned. The idea that video games are special in this aspect just seems like unnecessary moral panic, and just another generation of video game moral panic in a long line of the same.
Like when you say 'Remember we are talking about gamers here." im just like "what", that list of offenses seems tamer than any large sample of the general populace.
Cliffy B is what I aspire not to be
It sucks because he actually seems like one of the less shitty people out there in the dev world, but in the end, he let out a major flaw like everyone else does. Difference is, this one killed it entirely.
He should had done a game not based on trends.
This man was involved in UT, Gears and Bulletstorm. How could he not find a way out without doing something like Lawbreakers?
No, is not what I'm trying to say, is not about moral panic, nor this being an special case because internet. Is just about how people forgets that internet harassement isn't bound to internet itself to cause harm ( swatting being one of the most radical examples ) and as such it tends to be understimated ( the infamous "lol internet harassment isn't real, just go offline" tweet comes to mind ).
Is just a clarification on your initial post, ofc humanity can become shittier in other places.
His first game release was Unreal, and then Unreal Tournament, which was a pretty huge game in its time.
I wouldn't call someone who deflects valid criticism "less shitty"
He's as stubborn as it gets to the point he blamed the failure of Lawbreakers on other game releases, then proceeded to put out Radical Heights knowing full well it would not contend with any of the other BR games at that point let alone Fortnite.
There was and still is room for a solid arena shooter but Lawbreakers did not step up enough.
"deal loads of damage"
What is your definition of "Damage" let alone "loads of"?
I don't approve of any death threats or acts or anything like that, but we also can't water down what these things mean.
"deal loads of damage"
What is your definition of "Damage" let alone "loads of"?
I don't approve of any death threats or acts or anything like that, but we also can't water down what these things mean.
death threats, doxxing, stalking or even with making fake bomb warnings to the events the affected person attends
yeah those things happen and are genuinely terrible but they're not
exactly common or a trait of "gamers" or any group really. It's a trait
of sociopaths and the like.
I never said it was a genuine unique trait of a group?
Anyway that was enough, the first post was just an acclaration to Mattk50 and nothing more, talking more about it on this thread is just redundant.
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