so um what prevents someone from migrating into one region then just moving to another... plus why does the government care to micromanage where immigrants go, I thought the free market would take care of that...
Explain to me why the country that consists of 96% immigrants and has the 5th lowest population density on earth is so obsessed with halting immigration?
Because the infrastructure isnt in place, there are no jobs.
Thats why. Its not as simple as "theres space"
Most of said land is desert or dustbowl as well.
100% this.
The argument about "urr theres space" is thrown around so much its like a broken record.
It would certainly help if we had some new cities around but given there is absolutely no incentive not to live in an existing urban centre thats not going to happen.
One of my biggest gripes is that if we have that many people, fucking use them.
We have tons of potential infrastructure projects which would open up so many new jobs for the duration of them and give people a reason to move closer to the them but instead the government is fit to throw money at china and fuck up everything they touch then blame it on the opposite party.
AFAIK, the majority of the population live in the coastal regions, primarily the south-east. I mean, Antarctica is big, but it's not conducive to a large civilisation.
I should point out that Australia's immigration target rate hasn't changed (except briefly under the Whitlam government) since the end of World War II when the government set it at 1% as part of it's "populate or perish" policy.
I don't really see how it would suddenly be a problem now unless someone else (probably the government) is seriously fucking up with developing infrastructure and housing.
Theres still plenty of space in rural areas and small towns for development.
Take ipswich for example, has massive potetntial for growth but on the west side, the rosewood side, people are stubbornly against growth because they want to preserve their quiet, rural lifestyle.
You go 100km inland at any point along the coast there is plenty of room to expand.
And i will add that ipswich is set to grow in the next 15 years, but its not happening fast enough.
If a country can't maintain a standard of living, then it has failed in its management of migration.
Australia could easily sustain a population much larger than it is presently without compromising on living standards. The trouble is mainly with developing the infrastructure to support it since local/state governments are usually opposed to large-scale developments because it will upset their constituents. Think of how many jobs would be created in these areas if development increased. Other living standards issues arise primarily from the increased costs of living vs the stagnation of wages and social security.
The government needs to either pressure companies to pay fair wages to their employees, or tax companies more to cover social security costs to maintain living standards. Because otherwise it's all coming out of the tax payers pocket. And that's not very fair is it?
Australia is unfortunately full of NIMBYs who are opposed to any kind of development, even if it benefits themselves or their local area. The kinds of people who complain to the council that kids are playing cricket in their cul-de-sac, whilst also posting online about how kids these days never go outside because they're on the Facebooks and Twitters.
Again, this is not due to a lack of actual space. It's because only a small amount of space is actually approved for development, therefore, developers end up needing to buy up old homes to demolish them to build apartments to meet that demand. It's like if you play a city building sim and you decide not to buy up more land to expand your city so instead you end up demolishing all the low density areas to accommodate more people. Governments are really stuck between a rock and a hard place with this because no matter what you do, you're stepping on someones toes.
Australia's NIMBYism really can't be overstated enough
People have been trying desperately to get a car track built in the huge swathes of currently useless land around here so the local car people have a place to safely and legally drive their cars quickly, and NIMBYs have been fighting against it tooth and nail because "ugh we don't want a racetrack anywhere near the city, it needs to be further away from my house than the airport!". They'd rather have boy racers driving recklessly on public roads than live with the knowledge that someone's doing something they don't like way out of town.
Not all of us. Scott Morrison, as our newest Prime Minister, will be facing a tough fight in the next election. He’s most likely trying to strengthen the position of the Liberal Party by being ‘tough’ on immigration - one of the least controversial policy areas with voters who lean towards the Liberals.
It’s worth noting that when Scott was Treasurer under Malcolm Turnbull, that he resisted calls for cuts to immigration. This is just politics.
so standard of living is only tied to migration?
It appears migration is the current force pushing down the standard of living, as that has made it a requirement to build infrastructure, if you reduced migration, strain on the system would be removed allowing the government to actually make progress instead of playing catch up. The easiest way to fix this, lower migration.
It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the New Zealand government has effectively ended it's unique state housing model and sold off many of these houses built with public funding to private real estate for high prices (due to their good reputation for being well-made), effectively pricing low-income earners out of the market?
It is more 30+ years of misallocation of funding, the state housing sell off doesn't help but a lot of New Zealand's problems currently stem from migration as the root cause as we've been desperate to keep GDP in the positive, so we've done what other countries are doing, letting in large amounts of people without much care because it adds directly to GDP and growth.
So you're saying immigration adds to economic growth which is directly responsible for maintaining the current standard of living and reducing poverty, yet you also say that immigration is somehow hurting living standards?
I agree that growing the population or the economy forever is not sustainable, but we're not even close to the point where it would start to cause reduced living standards in Australia or New Zealand. Australia could easily accommodate a population the size of Japan or Russia's without a reduction in living standards (and we're not expecting to have a population that size for a long, long time, if ever). The fact that Australia's fertility rate is below 2.0 means that without immigration, our population is going to age and the economy will become unsustainable leading to reduced living standards.
Any reduction in living standards at the moment is the result of mismanagement on the government's end and they should be held responsible for it.
What the fuck are you talking about Ipswich is one of the quickest growing places in Australia.
I live in ipswich, its all housing developments being put up around it and a few business districts. Theyve recently made use of some land near the one mile bridge to put some shops but any further than that west is unlikely to develop due to stubborn people like i said.
Its all expensive houses and very little business
I live in ipswich
Is that due to migration? Where is that conclusion coming from?
my country can't maintain its standard of living and it has nothing to do with immigrants.
Its one of a few factors.
Migrant workers oversaturate our job market which is what I found was the biggest thing. There just simply isnt enough jobs for the swathes of people coming here. The only reason we are continuing to support large amounts of immigrants is to give short term gdp boosts and support an aging populace at all costs.
Due to all the jobs almost being located in the major cities, we have massive amounts of people cramming into the cities. This is only partly an immigrant problem, since people from rural areas are migrating to the major cities for work since rural manufacturing is basically dead, and theres not many other reasons to live rurally other than farming or mining.
House prices are high as shit thanks to Chinese investors, and whats left gets snapped up by Australians or people moving here from overseas.
GOOD. Sick of these fucking Crocodile Dundee motherfuckers coming into America with their Vegemite and Foster's beer
sick of these fuckn yanks comin here clogging up our mcdonalds and australian threads
Regarding jobs, that’s not intirely correct. Construction and the trade industry are desperate for tradies including apprenticeships. And in NSW there is a large push in regards to government positions.
Construction to fuel the massive growth of population that isnt sustainable in our cities, hmm.
But I guess thats pretty awesome that at least one Industry is doing okay.
dude just build a town in the middle of nowhere lmao
Water is going to be one of the biggest issues for Australia moving forward especially if the population continues to increase.
Its about $400 - 500 a week for a 4 bedroom house, and not even a good 4 bedroom house
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