Shooter Dead, 2 Injured in Alabama Thanksgiving Night Mall Shooting - Sensationalist Headlines

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/23/us/alabama-mall-hoover-shooting/index.html Interesting story, using the CNN map, I live roughly somewhere inside the red circle I made and attended classes in Birmingham proper, and saw a movie literally next door to this mall the other day. I was at my sister's for Thanksgiving last night when she goes, "There was a shooting at the Galleria." So there was about half an hour of all of us getting texts to check in and people checking in with friends since nobody knew how bad it was yet. In particular my sister's ex had said he was going to be taking my nephew Black Friday shopping (stupid shit to begin with) so that had everyone worried but he wasn't there. Not what we expected for Thanksgiving really. https://i.imgur.com/fHqEtd1.png

My parents were getting facebook stories and updates as it was happening. We live in Montgomery, about 100 miles south of Birmingham.

It's like there's a shooting every other week

It's more than that.

More like at least every other day.

I live in that country.

I live like 10 minutes from where this is at and I go to this mall every now and then... crazy. Honestly not surprised about this, there's always people in there who look like they're one step away from something like this

Yea I heard about this while at work today, to think I had plans on going to Birmingham!

I live on the same planet only about 3000 miles away from the scene, I've locked my doors and watching the news now, freaky to think that this could happen so close.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/24/us/alabama-mall-hoover-shooting/index.html They fucking killed an innocent bystander for nothing. And he was black: what a surprise.

No, he was armed. Being black and having a gun out at a shooting doesn't make one fucking bit of a difference.

Mm, your article doesn't say he was innocent. It says he was still involved in the fight that led to the shooting just he wasn't the shooter probably. The bigger question will be what he did when the security guard confronted him. There is a lot of unknowns here right now, but the Galleria has cameras so with any luck they've got good footage of it to figure out what happened during the shootings.

Fair enough. But I have a bad feeling about this. I would not at all be surprised if he pulled out his own handgun in defense as soon as the actual killer fired shots, and since the other guy probably fled immediately, the guy who had yet to shoot was the only one left standing around with a gun in his hand. And given the propensity of shitty cops in this country to shoot first, and ask questions later, he might have not had any chance to explain himself.

The good guy with a gun scenario doesnt work because other people will not know who the bad guy is, they just see two armed men

Keep in mind this city has had more than it's fair share of violent crime, in fact as a rate of violent crime we beat out Chicago even. In recent memory Birmingham had the highest murder rate in the country as I recall, and in the 90s the violent crime rate was nearly double what it is now. And it has been on an upward trend the last few years here. Shit is not good in the city despite revitalization efforts. A lot of things go wrong in those conditions.

So much for the "good guy with a gun" if they end up shooting an innocent man.

I mean, in this case an off duty cop serving as a security guard was responsible for his death, and further he had been involved in the fight that led to the shooting. They haven't said what happened between the man who died and the security guard yet.

so good guy with a gun only works when you're white?

I mean, white people didn't want black people to have guns from the beginning. Most of the early gun control laws were specifically designed to deny african-americans their second amendment rights, cause a gun was the absolute best defense against racist whites with murderous intent. That's why all the civil rights leaders back in the 50s and 60s recommended that every black household have a gun.

When there are practically countless examples of people using guns for self defense situations every day without getting shot by first responders, but it only takes 2 confirmed instances of police shooting the wrong person for you to conclude that guns cannot be used effectively to save lives. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/237763/d5ea8a0a-1d67-4d44-bf32-7e7723be9f6c/image.jpeg