So there's major problems with China's shitty authoritarian overreach? Wow, who would've ever guessed that?!
https://www.lifesizedcutouts.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Danny-Devito-Cardboard-Cutout.png
Cardboard cutouts are going to be famous in china, I can tell
Maybe you can just jaywalk wearing a mask of your favorite politician until they fuck off
Sounds like a great way to get beaten and thrown into the back of a van as soon as you step out into public
AI-powered surveillance cameras. Jaywalkers are identified and shamed by displaying their photographs on large public screens
china already on that deus ex
https://i.gyazo.com/1d5581322752787feb88eb1ce3724a26.jpg
And that's for a wanted murderer in the game, I mean they show murderers mugshot on western TV. But real world China will do it for jaywalking.
Real world China makes DE:HR China look sane.
That was also a vigilante hacker's doing, not the government.
Wear a Winnie the Pooh outfit and put Xinping's face up there for jaywalking.
at least there isnt a second china on top yet
China is a country I absolutely refuse to travel to. Wouldn't even go on a business trip there.
By the accounts of everyone I know who's been there: you're not missing much. The computer and phone shops are cool but everything else is horrible.
Some of the sights there are really breathtaking, and nine times out of ten the people are nice, but chances are you won't even be able to connect to the chinese intranet and if you do, it'll be godawful slow and all in mandarin. Not to mention what it must be doing under the hood.
Just go to Taiwan instead. You'll get the same experience, still have all your regular rights and services, and you'll be able to meet FP members and say hi to my grandparents.
i'm going to taiwan in dec and i even made sure i didn't get a flight that routed through china (also out of recommendation from company security)
It's a beautiful country, if you refuse to go somewhere just 'cos their government's shite you'll be missing out on a lot.
Perhaps it is beautiful but I think it would be hard to see through smog
try being a woman and going to literally anywhere in the middle east.
hell they even attack white men.
You won't see me going to China or N. Korea where citizens are literally disposable cogs
You won't see me going to Muslim countries where being Atheist can get me in jail
You won't see me in places where my presence, being what I am is illegal, where my freedom and human rights are restricted. Fuck them. Missing out on a lot, and I'm glad
I would love to go see Shenzhen, but that's about it.
A massive shopping mall/warehouse full of nothing but electronics? Sign me the fuck up.
Am I just missing something obvious? What's dumb about this?
To be fair, when it does clear it is pretty damn beautiful.
http://imgs.abduzeedo.com/files/articles/mesmerizing-chinese-countryside-photography/20487.jpg
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I know it already has been said but you're letting politics and arrogance lock half of the world away from yourself, for better or worse. Seeing is believing.
To each their own, but I think it's important to curb one's expectations when travelling to just about anywhere outside of the Western world (this is to say USA, Canada, most of Europe, and parts of Oceania like Australia and New Zealand), particularly if you are brought up with a Western mindset and values.
Travel outside of familiar lands isn't for everyone, I think most Westerners will experience some degree of discomfort if they travel outside of the West; this could be anything from divergence in political thought and methods of administration, to theological conflict, and most commonly culture clash. This is to say nothing of poor, or even downright hostile conditions in some countries.
Take the PRC for example, most people who visit are not westerners.
I can also understand the intentions behind not wanting to travel to a country with a disagreeable regime. That being said, I would personally recommend against letting it be the sole factor in determining whether or not you want to tour a nation. The Kim Regime isn't going to be reeling from its missing Western tourists which only number in the thousands, should they all decide not to come. If anything, providing your patronage to a destitute or oppressed people provide them work, and maybe more importantly dignity.
as bad as China is, comparing traveling there to N. Korea isn't that reasonable
True, I doubt a program this advanced would run on the North Korean Windows XP bootleg.
I should specify, I'm not trying to compare the two; I'm just looking for the most extreme example of a country one could visit.
I've been to China many times and it has been great and beautiful. But lately I've become more and more wary of that place. They are clearly doing a sharper turn towards authoritarianism. When I was there last year they started pulling weird shit on foreigners there, like limiting restaurants to only have 10 foreigners and other crap like that. The same can be said of many other places like the US. I was planning to go there a while ago, but I decided not to due to all the violence over there.
Not really true for North Korea, considering how tightly controlled visits to there are. You're gonna be shuttled around by ardent party loyalists, and made sure not to see things you shouldn't, or interact with people in ways they don't want you to.
If anything, they get far more of a glimpse of the other side from radio, TV and smuggled films from the Chinese border.
This is true as well, NK is a bit of a special case, but my point still stands; these smuggled bits of media are also effective in providing cultural exchange, albeit one way.
Even still, I think people give North Korea a little bit too much credit with how much control they have over their tours. Obviously they're going to take you where things can be painted in a favorable light, but some seem to get this idea that everyone walking the streets of Pyongyang are part of some planned presentation, which is silly. Even with being shielded by rank and file cadre, there is still room for a degree of discussion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNH6ETfRfDs&t=19s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Ze4D6ypgc&t=163s
True discourse in a place such as the DPRK is really a gem. Even if these people were placed here in anticipation of such discussions, if just one of them is reached, I believe it has merit.
Anyways, getting a bit sidetracked here, but to sum it all up I think that tourism is good for both sides of the coin, regardless of nation in question. I can of course understand those who wouldn't visit a country out of fear of well being. I can also respect those who wouldn't visit a nation on grounds of ideological objection, even if I disagree with the effectiveness of such a notion.
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