Trump says pardoning Manafort is not off the table - Polidicks

https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/trump-says-pardon-for-paul-manafort-still-a-possibility/amp/?utm_source=reddit.com He’s never discussed a pardon for Paul Manafort, President Trump said Wednesday — but it’s “not off the table.” “It was never discussed, but I wouldn’t take it off the table. Why would I take it off the table?” the president said during an Oval Office interview on Wednesday. He ripped Mueller’s probe and charged that Manafort, his former political adviser Roger Stone and Stone’s associate Jerome Corsi were all asked to lie by the special counsel. “If you told the truth, you go to jail,” Trump said. “You know this flipping stuff is terrible. You flip and you lie and you get – the prosecutors will tell you 99 percent of the time they can get people to flip. It’s rare that they can’t,” Trump said. “But I had three people: Manafort, Corsi – I don’t know Corsi, but he refuses to say what they demanded. Manafort, Corsi and Roger Stone.” “It’s actually very brave,” he said of the trio. “And I’m telling you, this is McCarthyism. We are in the McCarthy era. This is no better than McCarthy. And that was a bad situation for the country. But this is where we are. And it’s a terrible thing,” Trump added. Mueller’s team has accused Manafort of repeatedly lying to them “on a variety of subject matters.” On Tuesday night, the New York Times reported that Manafort’s lawyer had continued briefing the president’s legal team about the evidence Trump’s former campaign chairman was giving to Mueller.Trump has called repeatedly on Mueller to wrap up his investigation. During the interview, the president pondered that it “can go on for the rest of his [Mueller’s] life.”

“If you told the truth, you go to jail,” Trump said. Then maybe you shouldn't have committed a crime in the first place.

That's because you're telling the truth about being a criminal, sweetie.

During the interview, the president pondered that it “can go on for the rest of his [Mueller’s] life.” Uh...

anyone wanna lend me a lung cus mine are not sufficient for the laughter I'm about to let out

He ripped Mueller’s probe and charged that Manafort, his former political adviser Roger Stone and Stone’s associate Jerome Corsi were all asked to lie by the special counsel. “If you told the truth, you go to jail,” Trump said. Ladies and gentlemen, here we have a sentence that makes negative amounts of sense.

It's literally the "SEX MAKES BABIES?!" meme but with criminal activity.

The American people should storm the fucking White House if he pardons Manafort. They can't stop a swarm of a couple thousand people

'but the rule of law though'

Really at that point Trump would be in such a mental state he'd have no qualms ordering the White House guards to shoot protestors on sight and barricade himself in. The building could take a wrecking ball and survive too since it's the fucking White House.

The rule of law being circumvented means you can't rely on the rule of law anymore. The majority party is looking the other way, refusing to impeach. And now the president himself is going to give a free pass to convicted criminals? The next message to send is burn the white house down, IMO

'But how can we have a rule of law if we discard the rule of law? I mean, aren't we just becoming the same lawlessness that we're seeking to prevent here'? I'm writing this as sarcastically as I can put it but I do know that people are going to try and pass it as a legitimate argument. That 'we have to tolerate it' because 'if we don't, then we become what we're intolerant of'. It's ridiculous and stupid but it's winding up to be all that's left to defend it.

I mean, it IS a valid point, but not when you're dealing with the top levels of government putting itself above the law at the expense of its people. Law is the one thing all the people, big and small, can rely on to work in its interest. It's the black line in the sand So far the law is working and checks and balances is mostly holding the line, but we're right on the cusp of it being stepped over and being totally dismissed. If that happens there is no other recourse for the american people. That's when you HAVE to take matters into your own hands and fight back.

Specifically to restore the rule of law. And then, contrary to what I see a lot of people waffle about, you then continue to protect the rule of law. Lawlessness is not re-establishing and then following and protecting the rule of law - but I have seen many try to twist it to appear that it is.

You're being disingenuous. People are arguing against such actions because we still have the ability to peacefully make changes. We just elected a better congress, and an investigation is currently full steam ahead. In this hypothetical situation where trump makes it impossible to peacefully execute justice, then violent change is not only inevitable but necessary. But we're not there yet.

Maybe we can make some sort of deal with Canada regarding that. They have experience after all.

Presidential security is the best in the world, he'd be in a nuke-proof bunker before anyone made it close to him. Can't say whether or not guards would shoot unarmed protesters, but I'm sure they've got riot control gear for that sort of thing. Not to mention an SOS would immediately go out to every police department in DC (there's at least half a dozen) and the DCNG. You'd quickly have more cops than rioters.

I'm not so sure your math is right on this. Assuming there's half a dozen police departments and assuming they're enormous police departments with like 1000 officers each that'd be six thousand officers plus whatever the DC national guard has. That's a ton of officers but a riot in that context is likely to encompass most of the city.

I can almost guarantee that Trump will either: 1) Have the armed guards stationed at the White House open fire into the crowds, or 2) Have a legion of red-hats armed to the teeth and furiously jacking off at the prospect of opening fire into a crowd of angry "liberals".

The Assault on the White House. First Battle of the Red Hat Rebellion

I'm a smoker, but you can have mine. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/242634/4adce3dd-c433-4ece-a829-77dfafe8a519/image.png

Oooooooooh~ in 2018 we took a little trip Along with Robert Mueller to dethrone a dopey shit! We took a megaphone and we took a lot of signs 'Cause we knew the stupid bastard would be too proud to resign! We holler'd our chants an' the idjit kept a tweetin' He wasn't near as conf'dent as he was a while go We charged the fence and he took off to runnin' In his helicopter to his friends out in Moscow!

On the one hand that would be insane and stupid, but on the other, I have my doubts he'll do anything. I mean he NEVER commits to a yes or no. This motherfucker wouldn't call child murder "off the table"

Even if Trump said it was off the table, he changes his positions so often that there's no reason to take anything he says seriously. He's intransigent and capricious.

They'll call this movie "Zeus has been indicted".

I'm saying that when we are there that people will still be making that argument.

It depends on he size of the mob obviously, which I didn't think about too hard other than assuming a few hundred. Point is you'd have a riot at one of the most secure and defended places in the world. The White House is designed to look clean and official, but the place is actually a fortress and there is no shortage of backup available.

If Politicians blatantly abuse their power and the law is not equal then what point is there to the law at all? Anarchy starts at the top and works its way down. It is not the individuals fault for burning down the courthouse when the courthouse fails to represent him and only serves to act in its own self interest. Anarchy happens when Powerful people decide to let it happen through their own shortsightedness.