Those actually look surprisingly nice, but Windows 10's design is still ugly as hell.
I just want them to do away with the horrendous fucking squares. It's a UI, not fuckin megablox.
Actually scratch that while they're at it why can I change my redundant fucking windows 10 settings menus to be dark themed BUT NOT any windows explorer apps, why is there a settings menu AND a control panel, why of all the bloatware windows comes with could they not throw in a Microsoft version of fence
Probably yeah. If there's one thing Apple is better at than MS it's unifying their design.
W10 still has two separate control panels.
Call me crazy, but I actually think Vista was the sexiest Windows product in terms of visual design, etc. It was a bad OS, but there were some lovely UI things going on.
They look like blatant ripoffs of Google's Material Design or whatever the fuck google is calling it these days but frankly I don't care anymore.
All the big players in the tech market have the exact same software design language right now and I'm finding it increasingly irritating. At least around 2011, things were unique. Apple was still all-in on skeumorphism, Microsoft had its ongoing love affair with frosted glass, and Google had Holo design language on Android, which I still think is better than Material.
Isn't Google's material design a ripoff of Microsoft Metro/Modern design? They started this flat colors squares trend.
What's the bet they use the oppotunity to reenable all those annoying data mining features I disabled?
One a barebones pile a garbage pushed down our throats, the other a fully fledged working one that is slowly being gutted and hidden.
Actually, Material and Metro don't have anything to do with each other besides being flat, I'd say. They have entirely different design goals in mind.
Metro's intention is to direct the user's flow of attention and create visual hierarchies by using nothing more than typography and an extremely limited set of icons, mostly arrows. The intention is for the user of a Metro interface to feel like they're being guided along a path to accomplish what they'd like to do, similarly to how the signs in a metro station or airport guide you to your platform or gate. Metro is essentially typographic minimalism.
Material isn't really minimalist at all, it's often a lot more flowery than it necessarily needs to be. Material is all about using drop shadows, layouts and carefully used animations to make the elements of an interface feel like real objects. Drop shadows are used to show the importance of certain elements, and animations have lots of rules. Ideally, no UI element comes from nowhere, meaning no fade-in dialog boxes. Things should *slide* in from places they make sense to, kinda like ticker tape, or sliding a drawer out from a desk. UI elements expand, collapse, and slide in and out of each other. Material also uses lots of flashy animations to provide feedback to important actions, although this aspect of it hasn't been used much. Material kind of feels like a scrapbook with construction paper layered on top of itself.
Of course, none of this matters because both Metro and Material have been completely bastardized since their introductions. Metro became Modern UI became Fluent Design, the current design language of Windows 10. Fluent Design has more in common with Material than it does with Metro, honestly. It still uses Metro's stiff typography but it's bringing back lots and lots of the pretty frosted glass from Aero and it's borrowing some animations from Material. I don't mind it at all, the textured glass makes Metro's big swathes of flat color a lot more visually interesting and overall it fixes the main problem that Metro had, which is feeling incredibly sterile and unfriendly.
Material is still Material but in my opinion, Google has taken a few too many design cues from iOS recently, and they kind of ruin it. Material used to have lots of rounded rectangles, but with corners sharp enough to keep things looking pleasantly crisp. Oreo fucked that up by replacing lots of those sharp rounded rectangles with pills and sausages. They've also drained a lot of the color out, doubling down on making the default UI color a blinding white. They've also softened up the drop shadows, which I find depressing because to me, Material is one of the few examples of making drop shadows not ugly garbage.
I just like grumbling about UI design, I guess. Windows 9x is the clearest and most consistent design language of them all, change my mind
I'm not a big fan of them from initial impression. They'll be sandwiched with other programs anyways so idc
The only one that matter is the Recycle Bin.
This is true, though.
As a web dev (not a designer) Material is useful for doing quick things and I hate the way that Bootstrap looks, so it kinda grew o me. But I hope we get something new soon, things are kinda stale.
fucking thank you
The death of the menu bar (File, Edit, View, etc) is the single worst thing to ever happen to desktop UI design.
Also now that I think about it, while I love the aesthetics of Windows 9x, GNOME 2 is probably the best-designed desktop UI ever.
can we remove hamburger menus from desktop thanks
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1755/7c58e874-e1ef-4f2b-b1be-93ff82b4b384/image.png
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1755/9379ffd7-1f93-41e9-8a5d-17278800faa8/image.png
I actually agree. I've been refurbing an old Win98 laptop. And despite Win98 being a right pain in the ass technically, it is very visually cohesive and honestly pleasing to look at. The most dated part of the interface is really the fact that it uses a very simple 16 color palette and the pseudo 3D design (but so does Mac OS 9 which I still think looks okay). But once you install High Color icon support, the icons actually look nice.
it will stay in websites this way the web devs have less code to maintain between desktop/mobile sites
hell, I bet the only real change is the style sheet, if even at all.
One thing I like other than the icons themselves is how in that concept there's no longer a box behind the icons on the list of programs on the left of the start menu.
Windows Phone 7 was the best Metro version, prove me wrong
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/441/9da49024-ff6f-4263-abc8-f583c720ffe5/image.png
They also used it on the Zune and the Xbox 360 if I remember right.
NXE was the best 360 interface
I kinda don't get the complaints of Windows 10 looking ugly. It looks fine, and it doesn't look already sorta dated like the full on Aero design of Vista and 7 does now. I find it kind of nice and simple.
Just wish they didn't apply that to the programs in Windows 10. The new control panel is just sort of a mess of over simplified, and it lacks useful features. Want to choose defaults for a program by seeing that program and choosing which defaults it should have? Nope. Gotta do it on a file per file basis or all at once.
If there's a way to fully restore the old Control Panel (meaning selecting some options in it doesn't just take you to a kind of related page in the new one), I'll gladly take it.
If you go to the properties of a disk drive, then click on the tab Quota, and go to the Quota settings, you see an old pixelated image of a traffic light that has been in use for at least since Windows 2000. Possibly even earlier.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58120/26ca7740-914f-4e5a-a37e-e1dff8181826/image.png
With every new version/update of Windows, I check to see if they have finally replaced it with a new version.
Though at this point, I would't mind if it would remain there forever.
It's like losing an old friend at this point.
Guess we're starting to move away from the single-color into something that fits a little better with Fluent. Tell you the truth, I actually really like the Office icons. Kind of a shame how we lose their uniformity with the Windows logo on the taskbar, though.
That's not totally eye-cancer-inducing like 10's default is, but please, Microsoft, can we have the 98, XP, and Vista Aero looks as options?
IIRC this isn't really possible without a ton of work. It's easy to swap themes from 95 to 7 because every version of Windows from 95 to 7 uses the same window manager with iterative changes and improvements. 10's WM is brand new.
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/1755/66bbc25c-e669-4c15-8be6-88f3b8c8c2d1/image.png
And this is what happens when you go FURTHER BEYOND
Windows wouldn't be Windows without these weird anachronisms. I'm serious, I think it's charming that the deeper you dive into obscure utilities and settings menus, the older the icons get.
It gives it some personality, I think.
These look pretty good, could they make the title bars look better too and get rid of that annoying one pixel border.
Gross, give me good hand pixel art any day. Bring back this aesthetic please http://yspixel.jpn.org/icon/game/index.htm
I like it.
iirc the 8 WM was the new one and 10 is built from it.
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