French MPs vote to ban physical abuse of children. - Sensationalist Headlines

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-children-punishment-idUSKCN1NZ1GS?utm_source=reddit.com The ban was proposed by France’s gender equality minister, Marlene Schiappa, who told Le Parisien newspaper that parents are wrong to believe that shouting, slapping or twisting children’s ears are appropriate ways to assert authority. “No violence is educational,” she said.

My dad spanked me once. He (much) later told me it was one of the worst decisions he ever made and he felt sick for days afterwards.

Yeah because abusing a child == police action against violent riots brought on largely by racist, xenophobic, and populist rhetoric.

Personally I think spanking is a fair punishment, but going as far as leaving bruises on the child afterwards is abuse

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im sure there is wrongful violence on both sides, tho the cops are more likely to catch flack because of that, seeing as how they are hired by the state to protect the French citizens ;)

Fun story about acceptable child beating; My mom only ever went apeshit once and spanked my sisters ass. She left her alone with me in the stroller, and I wouldn't stop crying, so she figured sitting on me was the best solution. Almost asphyxiated me. And my mom was so fucked up she beat her ass. I'm biased of course, but i think she was a little bit justified in that instance.

Yeh the police are almost certainly abusing people, but bullshit there's no violent people. It's a French riot, for god's sake.

Yeeea let's see how that works protip it won't

Here's some food for thought: Why is it ok to do it to children, but not other people? Normally it's considered abusive if you would hit your wife, your maids, your pets, your employees, the elderly, and so on.

A pop on the rump or back of the hand isn't abuse. It should not be your first choice for discipline, but sometimes it's the way to go. And to @ASIC , honestly, some adults could use a good smack too.

what does it actually accomplish

Feels great in the moment

The two or three times I was ever spanked it made it very clear that I had crossed a line and I never ever did the thing again. I don't fear my parents or begrudge them for it.

Good for you. Doesn't mean it's the case for everyone else.

do you think there was literally no other way that could've been done

Well, uhhhhhhh ............ you seem to be consistent.

You guys are acting like a single soft handed whack will somehow scar a child for life as if its a full on belt whipping.

Because dumb little children are incapable of understanding what they did wrong through words.

The only thing getting spanked and grounded did for me was create better ways of not getting caught.

I have never seen physical punishment lead to anything more than even more intense crying/tantrum throwing. It's a completely thoughtless and selfish act that doesn't take anything into account other than the parents own emotions(anger). You don't punch someone you're having an argument with, so why is it ok to beat a child that you're virtually "arguing" with as well?

Does a bloody nose a few times count as hard enough?

Yo, what the fuck?

Don't get me wrong I wasn't beat up, but I was popped in the mouth quite a few times, some of those turned bloody, and I still have these memories strongly. Either way my parents issue was communication, they just assumed I'd be able to understand what I did wrong. Keep in mind this wasn't all the time, but I was still a little shit back then.

So, why would violence tell them that what they are doing is wrong? Have you considered the dumb people who aren't children?

There's a clear distinction between spanking and physical abuse though. As a child abuse survivor I would know. My father didn't spank; he slapped me, beat me, used smaller blunt instruments against my hands and so forth. I don't think you should ever lay a hand on your child but comparing spanking to actual abuse is just way off.

Things can be bad to do. Even if they don't scar people for life.

I was beat the actual shit out of by my bodybuilder brother and it taught me that I should do the dishes

I think the reason people act like its ok is basically the "Monolpoly of Violence". A kid isn't usually going to be able to hit you back.

Wait what? Child abuse was legal in France until now? What the fuck?