UK: Cabinet splits over second referendum on Brexit deal - Polidicks

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/08/cabinet-split-second-referendum-brexit Notably, we now know exactly when the parliamentary vote nuke will detonate Downing Street revealed yesterday that environment secretary Michael Gove will close the debate for the government on Tuesday evening. Voting will take place at 7pm. On Tuesday morning the speaker John Bercow will select up to six amendments to the main government motion which seeks approval for May’s deal. One of these – tabled by Benn and with strong cross-party backing – calls both for the deal to be rejected and for parliament to rule out a No Deal outcome. Senior MPs believe that if the Benn amendment is chosen by the speaker and voted on before the main motion, it could be passed, meaning the government motion would be superseded. The effect would be a double defeat for May, and narrow her options down, as she would not be able to proceed towards a No Deal. Some senior MPs say this will make a second referendum more likely.

OR Theresa May seizes the ceremonial mace in the chamber and bludgeons herself to death, thus initiating parliament royale. Last one alive gets to decide how brexit goes.

"...and for parliament to rule out a No Deal outcome" This is what seems so weird to me. It's like they live in a separate reality where Parliment can say "we will not go for the No Deal option". it's not within their power to choose, unless they select some specified deal. No Deal will happen, no matter how much they say that they will not go for this outcome. It's the actual default option if they don't do anything, they cant rule it out. It really seems like they don't understand this simple fact. For some similar commentary from Pwnallthethings which has been good on the legal side (and snark) of Brexit so far: https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1065703685697736705 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1065704645849477123 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1065705297258471426 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1065706700106342403 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1065707034451034114 I don't remember who said it, but someone said the UK might crash out of the EU on WTO on accident because no-one seems to understand that no deal is the default oucome, not some negotiated deal.

So wait, the UK doesn't understand that no deal means no deal instead of no deal being a deal? How has this country existed for a good 1300 years?

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I think she is going to do better, she's a fighter, I think she declares battle royalle, grabs the mace and begins building a new coalition of people whom she doesn't smash their faces in.

The ECJ is expected to rule on Monday that we can unilaterally cancel Article 50, which would buy us infinite time

To think this is the same country that ruled over us for 800 years. How embarrassing.

Not to be biased or anything but I am posting from a People's Vote rally in London right now https://i.imgur.com/uT3gAZ0.jpg

Imagine coming to the realization that you've made a huge mistake and correcting it means admitting you've made that mistake. Admitting to it means the whole world acknowledges your mistake. Your career in politics is over, you'll never be taken seriously again. They'd rather sink the country rather than do that.

The rally was brilliant. I sat next to three old Tories who I'd normally disagree with, but we spent an hour talking about how Brexit is a fucking travesty. There were speakers from most of the major political parties, including the leaders of the Lib Dems and Plaid Cymru, Tory legend Lord Heseltine, a Labour shadow cabinet member, and Green MP and former leader Caroline Lucas. There was a very cross-party vibe, people from different parties all sat together and we just knew we all agreed on this one thing and that it's more important than our differences. It's probably the only time I'll see Tories not just applauding but cheering for Caroline Lucas, and Labour supporters doing the same for Lord Heseltine. There were a number of actors doing speeches too, including Charles Dance, Jason Isaacs, Eddie Marsan, and Matt Forde who hosted the whole thing. I arrived early and sat in the front row so I could literally look down my row and see all of the speakers which was weird. The Stop Brexit man (who famously stands in front of TV cameras shouting 'STOP BREXIT') arrived to thunderous applause. Bit of tension emerged when a Labour shadow cabinet member whose name I forgot called for a people's vote only if they couldn't get an election (people shouted 'PEOPLES VOTE FIRST') but it calmed down again quickly. I was also struck by how funny a lot of the speeches were, it wasn't boring, genuine bants was flowing free. After it ended you could basically just walk over to any of the speakers and meet them, I almost shook Michael Heseltine's hand but I did get a selfie with Jason Isaacs. First political rally I've been to and it was awesome.

And if there's one thing the British are notorious for, it's for never admitting making a mistake. Some people would literally tank a countries economy rather than admit they made a mistake. Kinda like right now really.

All the Parties coming together as one to fight some awful policy? God damn, that's impossible over here.

I'd pay to see Charles Dance and Jason Isaacs in character as Tywin and Lucius telling them to cancel Brexit.

Clearly an issue is an inactive monarch. The queen needs to step in!

We must have been pretty close to each other. Are you going to parliament Square tommorow evening? https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/203662/e9b41d31-5c6c-4dff-8041-7f84dfabffe6/IMG-0734.JPG .

Lmao the thought crossed my mind that I should have checked if anyone else was going Nah gotta get back up north unfortunately

Honestly speaking, a people's vote would undoubtedly result in a STAY result now. The May government pandering to Brexiteers is the only thing stopping that from happening.

Yeah, just certain members of the party. Two largest parties both officially support Brexit.

At this point I have become so cynical that even if he held a second referendum with all the cards on the table, all the facts bought to light, having some independant unbiased 3rd party review an approve evry piece of brexit related media before publication to prevent the likes of the Sun or the Daily Mail printing lies and getting away with it and with the choices on the vote being, "Stay in EU", "Exit with no deal" and "Exit with Mays deal" so as to split the leave vote into two warring camps while remain takes victory... I still get this nibbling feeling that leave would somehow win anyway... call me defeatist but its just that over these past couple years seeing blow after blow and ever greater displays of stupidity by people in power and those that voted them in... it's like trying to climb out of cornflour, the greater strides we make towards the right thing or the more proof we have of what the right thing is the HARDER this idiocy seems to resist. It's demoralizing as all heck and it often feels like nothing I could ever do would matter.

Me too that's why I've started going to People's Vote events and trying to get involved so at least if it all goes to shit I can say I did my part to try and stop it

If the vote was split due to a 3 option referendum, all that is asking for is a 3rd referendum.

Alfred The Great sustained our idiocy for a few years and somehow our shit-brains continued...

We still do.

Your government certainly wishes you did.