Lol, they're going to have to bite the bullet and allow citizenship if they want to attract people. Few are going to uproot their families for 5 years and not be on the path to citizenship or permanent residency.
For skilled workers, sure, but semiskilled workers, no.
On top of that, they're going to have to expect the immigrants aren't likely going to just lie down and accept the Japanese work ethic and strict hierarchy. Especially the stuff like "seniority is paramount and disagreeing with your boss is a heinous insult" or "not going above and beyond to work yourself to the bone at all times is shameful laziness". They want these new workers from around the globe, they better be expected to accommodate many different and unfamiliar walks of life.
As much as I admire Japanese culture in certain ways, in others they're gonna have to learn real quick that their way doesn't fly elsewhere in the world, and for good reason. In particular, that very notion - a omnipresent one, if only an implicit undercurrent - that the Japanese way is superior to all others is gonna get put through the wringer and I don't think Japanese people are prepared for that. Thanks to their insular culture, they don't have many opportunities to see "overseas" folks challenging their ways.
Japanese Work culture is terrifying to me. Am 8 hour shift can already be pretty tiring, but over there 15 hours is the standard. Dunno if I could ever do that, even if I loved my job.
I do wonder how this is the case every once in a while. Japanese law says that 8 hours per day is the standard, and 40 hours a week is the standard. They just force people to work INSANE overtime shifts, and I legit don't know how.
I would work in japan if I wasnt already established here in America. Like if I was just graduating college, maybe for a couple years
yaaaaaaaa lets ignore how that works out in every other instance, never ending up with a large population of immigrants that get scapegoated and shafted. nope.
My job had a 16 hour work shift once. Half the shift called out the next day, the other half was so tired and exhausted that the following day became a 12 hour day even if it didn't actually have enough work to be 12.
You're expected to stay as long as your boss is staying at work and leave once he does. I remember reading an article about this American guy who got work at a Japanese company and decided to leave when his shift ended, not when the boss left and people thought he was weird but since it would be illegal to fire him for it nothing happened to him. After a while even the other native Japanese coworkers got the courage to just leave work once their shift was over instead of staying late.
Foreign workers get shafted, alot, in Japan. Even if you're hired, you're never part of the company and do not get the same protections like being retrained instead of fired when your department gets closed or reduced in size.
And still no changes to the archaic citizenship laws that bar dual citizenship basically all together fucking over bi-racial Japanese, further alienating them to decide to emigrate from Japan and thus it's work force further excalibrating the countries worsening manpower crisis. Great job...
Good idea in the long run if they want people to actually work when a large part of the Japanese population leaves the workforce. It's a pretty serious problem that isn't going to be solved by ignoring foreighn workers.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japans-falling-birth-rate-posing-serious-problems-for-economy-a7770596.html
"After Japan’s population hit a peak of 128 million at the start of
the current decade, it shrank by close to 1 million in the five years
through 2015, according to census data. Demographers expect it to plunge
by a third by 2060, to as few as 80 million people — a net loss of 1
million a year, on average.
Fewer young people means fewer workers to support a growing
cohort of retirees, adding strains to pension and health care systems."
You are saying that like it is a fact or an unwritten rule, nowhere does it say countries have to offer permanent residency or citizenship. From the looks of it the Japanese are aiming towards people who will be alone sending their money back to their family overseas.
this is as insightful as saying "it's not the law because it's not the law, because."
the question you should be asking isn't "are they obligated to do it?" but rather "is it the right thing to do?"
Some of us are arguing that offering citizenship to long-time residents is the right thing to do. Do you think it's the right thing to do? And why so.
I said its unethical, not illegal to do this. Just like economic slavery in the US is unethical but legal, and slavery back in the 180s was unethical but legal. Even if they were only intending for migrants to work there then leave, its a virtual certainty that a percentage of them will want to live there, and a certain percentage will start a family there. these are normal human activities.
its unethical to bring people to your country, use them, then kick them out when you no longer need them. this is something that happens entirely too often today and its not right, especially since in that time they develop lives, they meet people, they contribute to society and then they're forced to tear up all of that and leave.
Japan doesn't just need workers, it needs to add more people to its economy overall. This is an entirely different situation from Europe or the United States
They're also incredibly xenophobic so baby steps I guess.
Well that's a piss poor solution to their problem and what's more than likely going to happen if the demographic they're trying to attract are single is they'll just marry someone who is Japanese and then "steal" another citizen away from their already dwindling numbers since they'll more than likely be unable to live there.
Japan just needs to crawl its head out of its own ass in several ways.
But with that, another pill Japan is going to have to swallow is that their "purity" is inevitably coming to an end either way. Either they allow in more immigrants and dilute their society with a huge influx of foreign peoples and culture, or they continue on they track they're currently going down and die out entirely in probably less than a century. No matter what, Japan as it currently exists is on borrowed time and the pure-blooded Japanese population is only going to shrink from now on, no matter what.
Simply put, they no longer have the numbers to treat foreigners as second-class citizens if they wanna do this. And they're gonna have to do this if they wanna survive in some form, it's just that "perfect Japan"'s days are numbered regardless.
There's always the third option of the great Japanese hyper-orgy of 2019.
Those programs are already in place.
Eeeeehhh.... Yes and no. Like, we get paid a $5,000 lump sum for every child we have, plus like $200 a month for the first year of the child's life, but Women are often treated poorly in this regard and are punished indirectly for wanting or starting a family while employeed. and yes there are laws against discrimination against women but it does little to deter actual discrimination against women and heavily discourage women to have children.
I have witnessed this first hand, my wife was a High School teacher teaching students to basically be RNAs out of High School, because she is not a common core teacher she is paid not only less, but also on a yearly basis via contract by the prefecture instead of being directly employeed by the School. When she became pregnant with our son, she was up for her yearly performance review and contract extension. The prefecture refused to renew her contract despite years of great performance marks directly citing the reason as they didn't want to give her paid time off for the baby and told her to reapply for her position after the baby was born. Since they didn't technically 'fire' her, they broke no laws, and this was the GOVERNMENT that did this, not a faceless corperation. In Japanese work culture, the company comes first, full stop. If a woman wants to have a child, that takes her time and attention away from the company and it is often perceived as not being dedicated to the job which often seriously hurts these women's careers .
This is very much a culture problem, no amount of laws is going to fix this.
Isn't that pretty much the opposite of the case though? A lot of people who are willing to move far away and work on a purely temporary basis are those in highly skilled fields, executives, researchers, land developers, teachers, and professors.
Yeah, the incentives are fucking piss next to the detriments.
Even if everyone in Japan has kids today, that's still a minimum of 18 years before they see any taxes, and until then all the families and women in Japan will use even more government resources and healthcare for that to happen.
Japan has been staring down this road for a long time now, and its far too late for that to work. Immigration is the only way, and the longer they wait to properly introduce immigrants the more they're going to need.
Personally, I think their politics will prevent any concrete plan from being enacted long enough for their economy to collapse. They've waited this long already, I find it unlikely their large right wing is going to change their tune anytime soon.
Now I just imagine Japan as the Harry Potter pureblood wizarding community.
You do understand that they can bounce their population back up right? And even if they want to go the migrant route for social reasons rather than purely economic ones as they seem to be doing, this is pretty much just aimed at people in Asia who they expect to adapt to Japanese culture. They will not be bringing their own culture and they already have a degree of common ancestry.
Not really. If they pay well enough, they can attract workers. This is done a LOT, especially in construction in the US. Hell, one of my co-workers worked in China for a few years with this company. I'm even working out of state for the past 3 years, and willing to work in another state, or even overseas, when this job is up. The construction industry is basically built on people who go from job to job all over the world.
Yeah, this will not solve the problem, in fact it might actually make it worse. People like politicians seem to like to complain that we "don't have enough workers". Actually, we do have enough workers, especially with automation taking over. The real problem is that workers are not being paid enough.
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