Turkish Defence Minister Claims Kurds Will Be "Buried In Their Ditches" In Syria - Polidicks

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey/turkey-says-syrian-kurdish-militants-will-be-buried-in-ditches-anadolu-idUSKCN1OJ0N8 Fuck Turkey, so much right now, and fuck Trump for letting this all happen. The SDF is the only force that can even be considered "good" in this mess of a civil war, and it's going to be stifled out by a giant orange cheeto who has no understanding of the careful nature of diplomacy and the unstable political situation in the middle east.

No wonder Mattis went "Fuck this horseshit". The fact we just abandoned the Kurds to their own fate at the hands of Turkey is beyond disgusting.

YPG played stupid games and got stupid rewards. Their short sighted oportunism will not come to hunt them. FSA rebels will never forgive them for betrayal of Syrian revolution, Turkey will get it's opportunity to take out this hostile group and Assad can not wait to get his oil fields back which YPG will hand over without a fight.

What the fuck are you talking about? Stupid games and stupid prizes? The SDF is once again, a completely separate function from the YPG and PKK even if they include them. Additionally the YPG have been focused on Syria, not Turkey. The SDF never betrayed the revolution, the FSA did being a bunch of jihadists who don't care about actually inserting democracy and freeing the people. The SDF is forced to hand over the oil fields of Syria because we betrayed them. They need to give the oil fields back to the Al-Assad in return for Assad's support, because the US is gone now and there's no one left to help the Kurds but the SAA. I don't get your hate boner for the SDF at all man, what the hell are you smoking.

I am not interested in lying that SDF is nothing more than a front for YPG and PKK. You are also disinterested in telling true picture of FSA rebels and instead jump into spewing Assadist propaganda that all rebels are just Al-Qaeda like jihadists. They aren't, not even close. And the fact that you admit YPG will need Assad support from now one, only show YPG is not at all interested in either democracy nor revolution. Only their own self-serving oportunism. They don't care even for fellow Syrian Kurds to be continued to be opressed by Assad's regime, whom weren't even allowed to be considered as Syrian citizens let alone have any autonomy nor democratic right. Unlike you, I don't support a facist Baathist regime just to own the Sunni Arabs and pretend forced secularism is all that Middle East needs.

I would argue that at the time DAESH was the greater threat than Assad. At least they aren't being puppeteered by the Turks.

First of all, fuck no. Assad is objectively worse than ISIS. He had commited far greater attrocities in Syria, than ISIS did in several countries. Second of all, fuck no! ISIS is neither a Turkish puppet, ally nor proxy. Turkey is an enemy to ISIS and vice versa. This is a conspiracy theory on same dumb level as claiming Obama created ISIS.

Jesus there is so much wrong with this post I have gone over this time and time again. The SDF is not "nothing more than a front for the YPG and PKK". They are an ALLIANCE of militias from all over Rojava including the YPG. It's literally in their fucking founding document. https://anfenglish.com/kurdistan/declaration-of-establishment-by-syrian-democratic-forces-12947. Yes the YPG have vested interest in the SDF, because it's the best chance for Kurds anywhere to get a form of autonomy that no other country would allow them because of each country being run by authoritarian regimes, such as Turkey and Syria. The doesn't make the SDF entirely made up of Kurds, and it isn't. It's literally a democratic council of a bunch of different peoples from all over Rojava. Those are the cold hard facts. Your claims are entirely unfounded and have no basis in reality. Your claims just don't make sense anyways, the majority of the territory that the SDF holds is not Kurdish. Why in the hell would the Kurds want to control a territory that is much larger than where their people are from? https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/239718/71b5d4f3-9a3b-4dbc-8469-2d3f78d183c6/image.png (places where the Kurds live and overall area Kurdistan would exist in if it were a country) I am not basing this off of "Assadist propoganda". There is actual evidence of the FSA having jihadist groups in their ranks, especially including the Nursa Front which is actually linked to Al-Qaeda. The majority of moderate rebel groups that were in Syria have already gone and joined the SDF because the SDF is the only fucking group that actually cares about instituting a democratic system in Syria, and everyone knows it. It's why there have been groups of both Arab and Turkmen militias that have been continuously joining the SDF, as outlined here. The SDF, (NOT THE YPG) is making the deal out of necessity for survival of whatever they can hold on to. Just because they are allowing the SAA to take control of their northern border and the oil fields does not mean they are giving up autonomy or sovereignty. The SDF and DNFS still very much exist, and they still very much have their own government and military that control the area, they are simply receiving assistance from the SAA because they can no longer rely on US support. I do not support Assad. I never have and I never will. Stop being a strawmanning asshat.

DAESH established a fundamentalist psuedo-state that openly sponsored/condoned international terrorism, conducted mass murder and genocide through the slaughter and/or enslavement and rape of Yazidis. They brought back slavery and didn't even attempt to hide it for christ's sake. Assad is a fucking vile piece of shit and were it my choice he'd be on trial with the same neanderthals from DAESH but jfc. I wasn't inferring that DAESH were Turkish pupets. I was inferring that the FSA have become their puppets.

Then your point is even dumber and has no basis in reality either.

Pot calling the kettle black fam.

Curious here - what sources of information are you reliant on for this? Personal knowledge/experience?

Following Syrian war actively for 4 years from various selection of media outlets?

Trump needs to be thrown in the trenches with those Kurds.

By 'various selection' do you mean 'sources which would pass the thread posting guidelines in Polidicks'?

Well back in old FP in 2016, I did post a few threads and posts that did pass the guidlines. And yes I did watched it closely. Anyone who dismisses rebels as mere Al-Qaeda jihadists and cosiders Assad-YPG colaboration as no big deal is, however, not someone who follows the war with honest mindset.

Would you mind demonstrating that honest mindset by posting the sources you're using rather than simply stating 'yeah, they're fine'. Examples, please? Also, I don't believe 2016 Polidicks had the MBFC rule in place at all times of that year.

Very true on Trump. Unlike you however, don't think the Kurds deserve to be killed also.

https://twitter.com/rabrowne75/status/1075909439176216577

You're asking for a lot from someone who has been too lazy to document my sources. But I should point out that I do follow Charles Lister who is a go-to figure on reporting what's happening in Syria.

No, this is a debate forum. I'm really asking for the most minimal amount of effort that ought be applied here. Charles Lister is not a media outlet. I'm asking for a source that passes the present Polidicks thread creation guidelines that backs your opinion and isn't an editorial or opinion article. Are you saying that you are too lazy to document your sources? Or are you saying that I'm too lazy to document your sources (how would I even do so to begin with?)

You can't sling truth bombs and not source your points. Nor can you throw out points and tell others to source them for you. Thats not how debating works.

I think we're getting off-topic now, but to keep it short. Unless there's a new news at this time, I would need to spend some time to dig up old articles which I don't have time nor willingless to do so atm. Mainly for my arguements based on past events. By lazy I meant I haven't saved up links to links to those said articles. As for what media outlets? Mainly mainstream media like CNN, BBC, Reuters and etc, followed by local news site if English translation are allowed. As well social media like Twitter helps, especially map makers during the active parts of the war, as well syria.liveuamap.com that frequntly sources it's claims. I'm keeping it short, cause well I think we are getting off topic, plus I have work to do in morning so should force myself to bed in a bit.

So then don't bring it up to begin with? I note the absolute lack of any non-opinion or editorial article backing your claims. You could spend five minutes doing so. You are choosing not to do so. If you didn't want to debate it, you shouldn't have brought it up to begin with while asserting that you were correct while refusing to post sources.

Well then give the same standard to other posters who claim Turkey is on genocidal rampage against Kurds without sourcing such claims. Otherwise I'll keep it noted and source my claims for the future discussions. I shouldn't encurage my lazyness anyway

Maybe I will. But, first, I'm asking you to source your claims. You should source your claims for this discussion.

Let's not put words in my mouth, dipshit. I don't believe the Kurds should be killed, so quit making strawman arguments like a child. All I said was that Trump should be made to face the consequences of his actions for once.

Alright alright, I'll make an effort tomorrow to dig up sources.

I will hold you to do so and I will hold you to do so with sources that are not opinion articles or editorials and are non-controversial. If your claims are valid, the AP should be source-able to back those claims.