Toblerone's halal certification outrages the far right - Sensationalist Headlines

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/europe/toblerone-halal-boycott-scli-intl/index.html Toblerone has not changed its recipe, but some online commentators have taken badly the news that its factory in Bern, Switzerland, achieved a halal certification in April -- with the federal spokesman of Germany's nationalist AfD party claiming it showed the "Islamization" of Europe.

People bitching and wanting to sanitize things to be comfortable and Christian-friendly. It's PC culture for Christian idiocy. Nobody bitches about 'gluten free' on food (Well, I guess I still do) on the other hand it's always an extreme minority that even cares or notices. It's just another vapid twitter spat that'll go away and disappear in a week Maybe they'll even be original and make an online petition.

Well... yeah? It's probably kosher too. Might as well get the stamp if you qualify, that's marketing 101. I'd actually be pretty worried if chocolate somehow didn't manage that just being what it is.

suffocating yourself to OWN the libtards

Way to get outraged over absolutely nothing Dont tell them that halal snack packs from kebab joints are one of the most popular dishes in Australia; they might think we’re some Islamic caliphate lmao. Our Vegemite is halal certified too

Halal certification requires they make substantial payments in licensing for the privilege in which the money goes on to support Islamic growth in the west. Supporting that when there are so many problems with islamic integration is essentially shooting yourself in the foot. Until islam becomes tolerant and accepting of equal rights for women, homsexuals, free speech and minorities, no one should support such an intolerant religion.

Got a source for this?

Way to generalise the largest religion in the world. Many of the faith who live in the west are far, far more tolerant of women, homosexuals, free speech and minorities, than the typical anti-Islam crowd. Halal certification royalties do go towards mosques, yes, but mosques are more than just places of worship - they also function as community centres (like churches and other religious institutions), and their accessibility helps in the de-radicalisation of vulnerable Muslims, who were most likely radicalised in the first place due to marginalisation by the aforementioned anti-Islam crowd.

Even if the fund raised by these private company doing the cerification doesn't goes to Islamic organizations it's still really stupid to pay for third party certification of food for religious beliefs instead of quality/health/safety reason.

Actually I want to know if this is true because if so then that's hilarious

Okay what about Christianity then? Its got a varying amount of the same issues and its own extremists right here in the country, what seperates that from the "big bad islam"?

Halal certification isn’t granted for any food just because it doesn’t have alcohol or pork in it. The certification process (at least in Australia) includes an audit function; to pass the audit, the food does need to meet or exceed implicit quality control and quality assurance criteria. So typically, a food that is halal certified has met more quality criteria than a food which has not been halal certified. Also, halal certification is a big deal for business, eg Australia exports heaps of food to Muslim-majority markets, so there’s an economic incentive to have food be halal certified.

You have 1 day to back up that claim

Did it need the certification though? I dunno, just sounds odd in a funny way. Infidel chocolate

I guess its not really required for stuff like chocolate but theres no serious harm in not having them and i suppose it helps reasure some people's minds

wait until they hear about water

Sik of this fuckin bastad halal in are cuntry! This is Grate Briten and im sick of fukin muslins prayin to alan and making are meet and chocolet halal!! Enoch wudn't stand 4 this and neiver shud the British people!!!!!1!

Because https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ovhQGQuTfA ///////s

Islam isn't the largest religion in the world, it's the second largest. Christianity is still significantly larger and, despite slowly dying of in the west, is growing in places like China. While I don't agree with that guy and think he is acting very reactionary Christianity has done a better job at secularizing than Islam and that's usually where people find their problem with it, justified or not. That's not to say that Christianity have their problems either, American and African Christians tend to be very dogmatic and oppressive against homosexuals for example. On a personal note, I have had way better experience with Muslim street preachers than Christian ones. The Christian ones generally tend to be ignorant about their religion and scripture, refuses to give out anything but pamphlets and the occasional New Testament and kinda try to get you to not read the Bible, meanwhile these Muslim street preachers me and my friends met gave us each a free Quran and was willing to have a proper theological discussion with us which was a lot of fun, they where nice people.

Maybe you should take a moment to think about your own intolerance? I have a muslim friend who's lived in Britain since she was a child. She supports free speech and equal rights for everyone, however sometimes she faces intolerance from other people (eg. your post.) She's integrated just fine, the largest problem with Islamic integration is being ostracised by attitudes such as yours.

Only took a sentence and a half for @Agent48 's actual agenda to come out

Religion is inherently flawed, yes, but we should focus more on how individuals and groups practice their religious beliefs. There are tons of completely normal, level headed Muslims out their who stand by their beliefs but don't harm others. Also, it's just chocolate dude. Tasty, lovely chocolate.

I'll happily deprive myself of Toblerone for no reason. Shit''s nasty.

Until the far right becomes tolerant and accepting of equal rights for women, homsexuals, free speech and minorities, no one should support such an intolerant religion.

Christianity was reformed at one point in the past. Islam hasn't. It's forbidden to change anything because "it's the sacred word of god". The countries where the political Islam reigns are the worst. You criticize Islam, you get executed. You try to get out of Islam, you get executed. Where is the tolerance? When trying to get out of Christianity, pretty sure you don't get killed via the law. The thing however is that we will get the political Islam at one point in Europe as well the more we get in. It's not a question about "if" , it's a question about "when" and it has indeed begun already. I'm not even joking. There are many turkish muslims living in Germany who really want the Sharia to be instructed into our state, arab muslims are undermining politics and police. We are being infiltrated by Erdogan's agents as well. His soldiers have been spotted patrolling through some cities already. Muslims are often making themselves the victims while pushing their demands. Our country has changed many rulings towards their demands, even though they are meant to integrate themselves into our country. We have separate swimming pools because muslim women felt uncomfortable showing their skin. Muslim police officers reject giving women a handshake, entire christmas events at schools are completely removed because one little girl felt offended by it. Pig meat got banned at school cafeterias as well. Overall we saw a huge increase in rape rates as well due to so many imported muslims from third world countries and their backwards views towards women. Muslims in Germany are being raised racist towards Germans because according to the Quran non-muslims are inferior to them. That's why we have so many problems with these foreigners. The places like Berlin in Germany or other cities like Malmö in Sweden have a big amount of foreigners and many of them are muslims as well. They come into conflict with everyone, even of their own kind. Most current anti-semitism comes from imported muslim migrants in european countries (next to right-winged and leftist extremists). Look at how muslims treat homosexuals in the middle east, by pinning them behind cars with ropes or throwing them off buildings. 99% of women in Egypt have experienced sexual harrassment + so many terror acts done by extremists of the Islam. I mean, it's no wonder given the amount of hateful stuff written in their books about us. And with the kind of passages written in the Quran, it's so easy to manipulate young men into becoming extremists and it's mostly happening inside mosquees. You can always justify the stuff by having it as the word of god. The Straßbourg terrorist was just again another one of them. I don't see this amount of behavior from the currently largest religion in the world, Christianity and while Christianity also has extremists and homophobic behavior, I have not seen it in this amount so far. There are some muslims who are able to integrate, like Hamed Abdel Samad, a very known political scientist in Germany. People like him state criticism towards the people unwilling to integrate and the worst aspects of the religion. You know what they do? He is being threatened with death by other muslims because he criticizes it. And he is not even doing it in some provocation, he simply does discussions about it. He needs bodyguards to get through the day.

I dont know why you all are hating on this. I worked in the food industry and that is literally how halal certs work. And Islam is extremely intolerant of all those groups so...

Halal meat is "stun-free", so it violates RSPCA standards on animal welfare and is against the law in the EU, however it is legal in the UK due to an exemption in the law granted to Jews and Muslims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal One reason I don't support halal. Essentially the animal has to die by blood loss with care given not to damage the nervous system, otherwise the meat is haram. Ritual slaughter of animals has no place in western society IMO.

Not entirely true, although of course it may depend on country. The following is from the Australian RSPCA itself: The vast majority of halal slaughter in Australia (including at export abattoirs) complies with standard slaughter practice where all animals are stunned prior to slaughter. The only difference with halal slaughter is that a reversible stunning method is used, while conventional humane slaughter may use an irreversible stunning method. The time to regain consciousness following a reversible stun may vary depending on the intensity of the stun. At Australian abattoirs, the aim is to ensure that reversible stunning is done in a way that the depth of unconsciousness is sufficient to allow for the animal to bleed out and die before there is a chance of regaining consciousness. Although reversible stunning is far better from an animal welfare perspective than no stunning at all, irreversible stunning is more effective in inducing unconsciousness than reversible stunning and is therefore the preferred method. Exemptions from pre-slaughter stunning requirements A small number of abattoirs in Australia have been granted permission from the relevant State or Territory food authority to conduct religious slaughter without prior stunning – for either Halal or Kosher (Jewish slaughter) purposes. These ‘approvals’ are effectively exemptions to standard Australian slaughter practice and only apply to cattle and sheep. (All Halal slaughter of chickens in Australia includes prior stunning.) Our understanding (as of 2017) is that there are 8 abattoirs in Australia with approval to conduct slaughter without prior stunning in three different States: New South Wales – 2 abattoirs South Australia – 3 abattoirs Victoria – 3 abattoirs. For cattle and sheep, the requirements for religious slaughter without prior stunning are set out in a nationally adopted guideline Ritual Slaughter for Ovine (Sheep) and Bovine (Cattle): For cattle, stunning is still required but this occurs immediately after the throat is cut. Two separate slaughtermen must be present: one to perform the cut (which must sever both the carotid arteries and jugular veins) and one to perform the stunning. The animal must be restrained (including head restraint) in a manner that ensures it remains standing in an upright position and is still during the slaughter process. For sheep, stunning is not required except where the animal is distressed or does not rapidly lose consciousness, in which case they must be immediately stunned. The requirements for cattle and sheep are different because cattle take longer than sheep to lose consciousness as they have an extra blood supply to the brain at the back of the neck running along the vertebrae. https://kb.rspca.org.au/what-is-halal-slaughter-in-australia_116.html

If they can agree to practices bringing it in line with the animal welfare standards otherwise employed in the country in question, sure. I just don't agree with exceptions being made for religion reasons.

Give sources for what you're saying. In my country, most stories about Muslims causing Christmas events to be cancelled or some bs are pretty much always false or misleading. The idea that Muslims are out to destroy our ''''christian values'''' is bollocks. Research has been done into the attitudes of Muslims towards christian religious expression. They turned out to be way more tolerant towards Christian symbols than the native population, at least in the Netherlands. In fact, their preference for Christian symbols is equal to their preference for Islamic symbols: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1369183X.2015.1082288 The same is true for education. Muslims turned out to support Christian education just as much as Islamic education. Also the idea that Islam can't reform because the koran says so is, imo, really stupid. Most religious people, including Muslims, ignore a lot of what their holy texts say anyway. Why the fuck would it then matter if the koran says 'lol you can't reform'? If it truly mattered, progressive Muslims wouldn't exist at all, but they do. It also ignores that there are many, many variants of Islam. I recall an Islamic tribe in the Sahara where women actually have a lot of rights. A lot of stuff we attribute to '''''Islam''''' has a lot to do with local culture, as far as I know. My impression is that even most religious people just believe whatever happens to fit their narrative and that backwards views have a lot to do with the development of a country, education etc.