Argentine radio host ordered to have feminists on show - Polidicks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46667636 An Argentine radio host accused of misogynist diatribes has been ordered to host a feminist guest every week for five months as part of a deal with prosecutors, reports say. Angel Etchecopar must not interrupt his guests for 10 minutes, nor can he criticise them after they finish. It comes after prosecutors accused him of gender discrimination. He had used his programme on Radio 10 to attack feminists as "feminazis" and "disgusting people", Le Monde reported.

While it's an amuzing karmic punishment something tells me that his listeners will just rant about thought police and political correctness gone mad.

That... Doesn't seem like something the government should be able to order.

He isn't exactly being forced to do this. Apparently he made a deal with the Judge to avoid Probation by having a Feminist on his show. Etchecopar - nicknamed "Baby" - convinced the authorities of his desire to change his ways and a female judge agreed to drop the case against him in favour of a probation-based solution, La Nación said.Under the terms of the agreement, prosecutors will provide a list of gender specialists and Argentina's special gender violence prosecutor Veronica Guagnino will come up with the topics for discussion. So instead of arresting him for making derogatory comments, they decide to make him have an actual Feminist come on his show. Tbqh thats actually the best possible route in this whole situation.

What did he do besides criticize feminists though? Is it just that such a thing be a crime?

There's a difference between Criticism and flat out derogatory statements.

Anyone have any translated clips of what was said? I'm searching now. I'm reading he called some feminists disgusting and called them feminazi's. Just wondering if it's a blanket statement or he meant against one particular group, which makes a difference.

Idk what's exactly terrible about this. Cause this is like the Grown Up version of a parent forcing their children who hate one another to sit down and have a talk. Like if this leads to more communication between these groups then great.

He literally has to sit there and let them talk for 10 minutes. This goes on for five months. He cannot interrupt. He is not allowed to criticize them in any way, shape, or form. There goes the whole point of free speech in your country. It's either this, or get sent to jail? Are you fucking insane? You really not seeing what's so terrible about this?

You know he was the one who came up with this idea right?

I mean, the rest of the time he can go on as usual right? As far as he doesn't say misogynistic stuff, I guess. I don't see how anyone is taking his free speech away, unless he's just not allowed to comment and criticise the feminist at all, ever.

He came up with it because he wanted to avoid punishment for talking shit on feminists. I’m not even anti-feminist ideals, like I probably wouldn’t like what mysoginistic things this guy has to say, but I don’t think he deserves punishment for it.

Also if its just a feminist. Its just feminism, which is by definition women = men in terms of rights n shit. Like i imagine they'd probably put on a regular feminist on his talk show, as a way to show how Feminists are normal and not the stereotypical Tumblr types. Which only make up a tiny fraction of the actual Feminist movement.

Then they should sue him for Defamation, Slander, or Libel.

From what I've read Argentina seems to have a particularly bad problem with violence against women, prompting feminist movements and new legislation. This may be why the government is cracking down on stuff like this.

Additionally, slander, defamation, and libel are all civil issues that cannot result in jail time in the United States. I understand this is in Argentina, but that doesn't shield their justice system from scrutiny. This, however, is a criminal prosecution with jail time if he is found guilty and doesn't agree to this plea deal.

Yes, I read the article. Facing legal persecution for criticizing a political movement is the clearest definition of free speech I can think of. The fact that he is facing any charges to begin with is ridiculous.

well apparently women wanting equal rights is a political movement instead of being common sense. Cause everything has to be fucking political nowadays.

I can’t tell if you’re being purposefully dense or not. I don’t think it’s crazy for some people to believe that Feminism in the context of 2018 means a lot more than just woman wanting equal rights. Issues are far more complicated than that and there is a vocal minority of feminists who paint a different picture. You can definitely criticize aspects of modern feminism. I personally tend to agree with a lot of it, but there are definitely some ideas and movements within feminism I reject. It doesn’t mean I reject the concept of equal rights between men in women.

https://www.pagina12.com.ar/145405-angel-caido-etchecopar-imputado Yall should read this article (I could only finf Spanish articles that would detail exactly what he said and atleast this ones from Argentina) but holy shit he says some absolutely disgusting things

Its a bit broken since this was done with a Translator. But like i said before, this isn't "Critical Analysis" of Feminism being shot-down. This is flat out discrimination towards women. The driver is famous for making the cave language style mark. "If your twelve-year-old daughter comes out showing her tits and making a bump, there is a provocation," he said, for example, last year after the femicide of Micaela García, 21, raped and strangled in Gualeguay. He is the author of phrases such as "the only problem with those shit marches is not the battered woman, but they do not accept themselves and you realize in the paint, in the filth that is people who can not go out and compete with others women "(in reference to those attending the demonstrations of Ni Una Menos). The driver also proposed "a hammer blow to the head" to women over 40 who do not fall into their category of "something edible." And among many other anti-rights statements he has also said: "I shit on Human Rights: Because here human rights work for the jets". A few weeks ago, after insulting the militant of the Evita Movement in the air, she said "with the plans they charge, they take the twine out of their children." The difference is that now it has just been imputed for its constant verbal attacks against women, for discrimination in "context of gender violence" Quite honestly the fucker is lucky he didn't get his ass thrown into jail.

This is what will happen to our video games if we dont rise up

As an Argentinian, I can assure you this guy is lucky he didn't get any prison time for all the shit he's constantly spewing. It's a pretty lame punishment IMO, but considering the absolute joke of a judicial system we have, I can't say I'm surprised in the slightest.

I can't say for sure about argentina (I did live there for a year and a half and have *some* familiarity with the country, though), but in brazil, we've got the kind of anti-discrimination laws that'd make american free speech advocates squirm. At the same time, discrimination itself is much stronger as well, to the point where 'free speech advocacy' feels like such a first-world problem

Could you elaborate?

making generalizations about a group may be wrong, but not unlawful. libel/slander only applies to individuals, get fucked.

He should have a british man instead talking about the Falklands.

yeah, social justice has its crazies, but that is no reason to discard it. likewise, latin american countries have several, deep-seated cultural problems with misogyny and violence against women. that is no reason to discard entire cultures, either, only to address the problematic parts. so, what's your take on what movements like the one in the article are addressing?

There are feminist groups that advocate for some ridiculous shit under the guise of being socially progressive. This isn't "gender discrimination" for saying he doesn't hire women. He criticized a political movement, and was charged for it. That is the exact scenario that freedom of speech is supposed to prevent from happening. This is just plain wrong.

No, this is completely incorrect. If you've read the articles about him. He didn't "Criticize" anything. He flat out said if someone's daughter got raped, its the daughter's fault for "Showing off". And he mentioned if a woman beyond 40 isn't good looking enough, they deserve to get their head caved in with a hammer. This is probably the second/third time in this thread where you've lied about what happened.