US Commerce Department is considering national security restrictions on A.I. - Sensationalist Headlines

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/technology/artificial-intelligence-export-restrictions.html SAN FRANCISCO — A common belief among tech industry insiders is that Silicon Valley has dominated the internet because much of the worldwide network was designed and built by Americans. Now a growing number of those insiders are worried that proposed export restrictions could short-circuit the pre-eminence of American companies in the next big thing to hit their industry, artificial intelligence. In November, the Commerce Department released a list of technologies, including artificial intelligence, that are under consideration for new export rules because of their importance to national security. Technology experts worry that blocking the export of A.I. to other countries, or tying it up in red tape, will help A.I. industries flourish in those nations — China, in particular — and compete with American companies. The report: Federal Register The representative general categories of technology for which Commerce currently seeks to determine whether there are specific emerging technologies that are essential to the national security of the United States include: (2) Artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning technology, such as: (i) Neural networks and deep learning (e.g., brain modelling, time series prediction, classification); (ii) Evolution and genetic computation (e.g., genetic algorithms, genetic programming); (iii) Reinforcement learning; (iv) Computer vision (e.g., object recognition, image understanding); (v) Expert systems (e.g., decision support systems, teaching systems); (vi) Speech and audio processing (e.g., speech recognition and production); (vii) Natural language processing (e.g., machine translation); (viii) Planning (e.g., scheduling, game playing); (ix) Audio and video manipulation technologies (e.g., voice cloning, deepfakes); (x) AI cloud technologies; or (xi) AI chipsets.

Oh fuck off, this will kill all hobbyist ai projects.

As someone who is just finally getting into machine/deep learning and wants to start a career in it soon, fuck this.

I mean gun-laws didn't necessarily kill gun hobbyists. Just gotta be sneaky, Charlie.

Does that mean that us poor Europeans will never be bedazzled by the irradiant light of wisdom of @SKS 's bulge-o-matic program? Why do I even bother to keep on living.... https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58120/42bc3387-4017-47eb-9139-0756d2f19840/Olja3mi.png

It will work just as well when they tried to limit cryptography, some restrictions on AI used for national security purposes makes sense but machine learning is way too broad.

This is still going to kill a shitton of open source projects that use tech that falls under those lines.

i don't think we really know what we're getting into with AI

We don't have the tools, knowledge, or processing power to create the sort of apocalyptic AI shit that the old geezers who thought this up think we do.

i'm talking about social implications of tech we already have or near-future tech. its all fun and games until you can be accurately identified by your gait every time, or designers become unnecessary because a computer can do it just as well if not better, or you can't tell if anyone you talk to online or over the phone is human.

This would normally be a good thing, except we're stuck with capitalists so it's a bad thing because we will get fucked by it. This also wouldn't be impacted by this legislature to begin with, because this benefits the capitalists so it won't be outlawed. What do you expect to gain from this law? It isn't made for you, it's made to stop the working class(us) from developing their own better tools.

i don't care one way or the other about this law. i am incredibly wary of AI in general. pandora's box has been opened now, and we can't go back, no matter how it turns out.

You don't seem to understand what's actually capable of the tech. Sci-fi shows have created what is effectively the CSI Effect but for people hearing about AI. Like I'm sure @JohnnyMo can back me up on this, the current tech we have is not anywhere near the hellscape apocalypse "opening of Pandora's Box" thing you're thinking of. Shit like the aformentioned "bulge-o-matic" is rudimentary and requires probably 10k pre-labeled images for sample data(this is something I'm sure they have no problem with for anime shit), and is already going to be inaccurate at best. The prior example with "what if designers go obsolete" really raises more questions about why the capitalists insist on lowering wages when more work is able to be completed in a shorter period of time. Almost like the capitalists don't care about us to begin with.

I think a lot of people fear the real hellscape that is China when it comes to AI.

what is actually capable of the tech now is rudimentary, but the point is it will not stay that way. we went from the discovery of radioactivity to the first nuclear bomb in 50 years, and from then to ICBMs in 12 years. Things advance, and we don't really know what we're advancing towards. unless radical actions and radical changes occur, we have to operate under the assumption that capitalists will continue to be around and continue to have the hold that they do. either work to counter them or work with the world we're given.

Proper identification is really fucking obnoxious to do and pull off. I'm willing to bet about 75% of their shit still has human oversight because this stuff is still incredibly unreliable.

china is making major strides in AI, and most of what i have seen come out of that is terrifying to me.

Do you have a source on this that isn't from a chinese Propaganda outlet?

lets just say that everything coming out of china is fake and propaganda, why are you so interested in the tech? do you think it has already hit its dead end, with no real room for improvement? have you considered the possible social implications of the tech improving to the point where it can be workably applied with workable accuracy? regardless, i will post a few articles of examples of the Chinese being at the very least competitors with the US and the EU within the spheres of AI https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612569/china-has-never-had-a-real-chip-industry-making-ai-chips-could-change-that/ https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2018-12-28/artificial-intelligence-is-new-space-race-for-eu-u-s-and-china https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/which-country-is-winning-the-ai-racethe-u-s-or-china-1542039357 there are absolutely major players highly interested in the tech, and i think their ambitions outpace some hobbyist making a program to detect the true genders of anime characters.

im going to be honest I was expecting some "news" article about how China totally has a swarm of drones that track your every move as a citizen or something garbage like that, thanks for citing actual sources

Some secrets are too powerful