The vast majority of these religious practices are absolute insanity in comparison with modern methods. Not only do they create an issue with health and safety practices, but in general it just causes more direct harm to the animal. Slitting the jugular only causes unnecessary suffering, and is effectively on par with drowning someone in their own blood and bile.
This was unexpected... I thought that that debate had long settled in the favour of those praising ritual slaughter.
I thought most places utilized these handy dandy little skull punchers? Or something similar.
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Does this actually mean anything besides local businesses being hurt because they can no longer source their product locally and have to import it at a higher cost ?
Rabbi Schmahl cited another Belgian law that was recently enacted, to regulate home schooling — a common practice in his community — as an example of a pattern of laws in Europe making it increasingly difficult for observant Jews to live according to their traditions.
“It definitely brings to mind similar situations before the Second World War, when these laws were introduced in Germany,” he said.
Jesus Christ
home schooling out right needs to be banned
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I'd like to know why you think that.
Why, exactly?
There's a very large variety of reasons that home schooling is a massive farce and should be probably heavily regulated, but outright banned I'm not so sure I agree 100%.
Social interaction gained by school is an incredibly important part of a child's development process, parents who homeschool their kids because their kid is socially awkward are actually harming their kids in this regard.
Schools are an institution dedicated to learning, in a functional sense they will almost always provide a better resource and a higher total capacity for knowledge than home schooling.
Schools, being a public setting for your kids where they interact with other adults is a very important check-in for kids who are coming from sexually abusive families. Homeschooling removes that very important setting where kids are able to seek help. I personally met a girl who had been "homeschooled" and that was literally just a guise for her mom to abuse her both sexually and physically with no checks and balances to save her from that hell. She ended up escaping the home and made it into state custody and is well adjusted now, but had she not been homeschooled, there would have been a much greater chance this could have been figured out sooner.
etc, etc, there's plenty more to expand on with these points, lots of it depends on different laws in different countries regarding homeschooling as well.
not sure in europe but in the US its generally a way to protect your children from sedicious things like poor people, minorities, evolution, global warming and sexual education
there's legitimate cases for homeschooling but the majority of them are in my purely anecdotal experience because of overbearing parents.
Im a descendant of holocaust survivors and let me tell you, virtually anything that mildly inconvenienced my grandparents was immediately equated to nazism
Most teachers also aren't developmental psychologists. So that's a moot point tbh.
There are plenty of resources for helping out parents who wish to homeschool - ranging from other homeschoolers to institutions like museums and zoos. Public schools are frankly no better in this area anyway. At the school I'm a substitute for (and went to), the quality of teachers was not always the best - and for a time they had a reading teacher teaching math (even though its outside of their expertise). Not to mention, as of right now, the middle school science teacher is also the PE and health teacher. He's never had any sort of formal PE schooling or health schooling for how to teach those subjects. He's a great guy, don't get me wrong (and subbing for his 1st grade PE class was an actual treat and was a lot of fun) but he's not what I'd call a PE or health specialist.
ok and in my case home was the only escape from bullies and an administration which refused to do anything. In fact, this experience is exactly why I am planning on homeschooling my children in the future. They deserve to not have to through that sort of experience. And while the sexual abuse point is valid, I don't see it as a reason to be banning homeschooling. Everyone I've met who has been homeschooled is a completely normal and well adjusted individual, so at this point we're just spitballing anecdotes at each other.
This overall legislation strikes me as heavy handed but I can understand wanting kids to get a proper education. Orthodox Jewish community schooling doesn't necessarily have the child's interests at heart, particularly when it's isolating them from other cultural perspectives.
No, it definitely isn't. The vast majority of animals are slaughtered by exsanguination, by slitting the jugular veins, carotid arteries and the trachea.. Animals are stunned before this happens, so they aren't even conscious. They die within seconds, as the brain looses blood rapidly.
...how else would you slaughter an animal?
you "stun" them with blunt force to the head, which either kills or knocks out the animal, and you then electrocute it to make sure it's dead and to prevent rigormortis from ruining the meat. and only then do you bleed it.
Halal meat (not sure about kosher) is basically cutting open the throat and major arteries in one stroke of a knife and letting the animal bleed to death while it's still alive and perfectly concious, going so far as to carefully specify that the cut get all of he major arteries, but not damage the nerves to specifically ensure that it's alive while it's bleeding out. And the animal also has to be pointed towards mecca because why not. It's unreasonably cruel for no reason at all.
An animal remains conscious, even without blood supply for upward of 5 minutes. Some groups do not even stun the animal, and instead get them into a holding device which exposes their head and jugular. If you were asking what I'd advocate it'd be stunning and then severing the spinal cord to remove as much pain and suffering as possible.
But Why? The muslim one use very sharp knife to slaughter farm animal in the neck for removing all animal blood in vein. So they die faster instead dying in pain.
Do you have a source for this? The Humane Slaughter Association list much lower times.
I think banning ritual slaughter is kind of going the extra mile to fuck over religious groups, there are plenty alternatives that could've solved the same issue of animal cruelty like mandatory stunning. I think the United Kingdom has such laws in place and you can still make kosher/halal food with it.
Yeah, I really hate it when the animals have to suffer unduly before we can kill it and eat it.
Every source I can find says sheep and swine become braindead in 10 seconds of cutting the neck. If you want to test this, ask a professional to put you in a chokehold that blocks the carotid arteries. You will pass out within seconds. And don't do this, it's dangerous
UK does not mandate stunning but 88% of all animals slaughtered by halal methods are rendered unconscious using methods deemed halal by Muslim authorities anyway. Source.
you have to drain the blood anyways and the major arteries are the quickest way to do that.
I'm not sure where we're going with this. My original question was to Joey since his post implied that there was some other method of slaughter that doesn't involve "slitting the jugular".
even if you kill it by gas you need to drain the blood quickly after death so slitting the jugular is usually the next step.
Yeah I think that's what Headhumpy is also asserting.
Man, like, I understand why but that's still kind of depressing.
The article says that the reason that captive stun devices and electric shocks can't be used is because it goes against the religious rules about the animal being in perfect health? Is this actually true? Because I find it pretty unconvincing considering it's something you do seconds before slitting their throat. I think people over-exaggerate how much suffering animals slaughtered under halal regulations go through but it just seems obstinate not to render an otherwise healthy animal insensate before slaughtering it.
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