• May: No Brexit more likely than No Deal
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46856149 Prime Minister Theresa May is making a last-ditch attempt to persuade MPs to back her Brexit deal as Tuesday's key Commons vote looms closer. She will use a speech on Monday to warn that Parliament is more likely to block Brexit than let the UK leave with no deal.
Good
And she's saying this like it's a bad thing, Jesus.
I voted to leave but there should be a second referendum as circumstances have changed and new information has been released. It'd act as a final say given that there is now the added circumstance of the actual deal we could leave with. Regardless, I'd still vote to leave the EU but people should get to have another say when the initial decision made cannot be reflective of changed circumstances.
"Its my way or the highway you ffffuckers!"
What is the context of that OP picture? Looks like May is hiding from the law
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58209/0a12f910-f07e-4c0f-b90c-5bbc546a5df2/NoOneStableForever.png
Out of interest, are you in favour of no deal or May's deal?
"nobody challenged the referendum on giving the welsh their own council" ya but then that referendum wasn't exactly involving total economic destruction of the whole of britain.
Why do we elect these people to govern the country in the best direction for us, if they're going to implement things which harm our economy and way of life (even if a referendum just barely said to). This is most sensible thing to come out of any Tories (or opposition) mouth in ages
Mind you I'm an american but it doesn't appear that you get much choice in what terrible person gets put in charge of everything. Like if we had your system Mitch Mcconnell would be the PM
Politicians put staying in power above sensibility and listening to the people. Even Tory Remainers might squirm at the thought of a second referendum or the outright cancellation of Brexit because you've then possibly angered a maximum of 52% of the electorate. If that 52% is excessively perturbed, they're never going to vote for the party that prevented Brexit. Congratulations, you've destroyed the party's chance of re-election for god knows how long.
To be fair most of us don't get much say in POTUS anyway. Only those living in swing states have any say in that election due to how the system is set up.
Exhale
Holy fuck she's having a stroke of sense for once? Or just a fucking stoke?
"it would be worse for a politician to not do what they promised to do than to do the thing they promised to do and destroy the country."
And now we for wait, the sixth or seventh time of her trying make Hard Brexiters to rejoined UKIP again as protest and possibly get Labour to win in next election.
"Pssst, got any more of those withdrawal agreements?"
I'm sure it's just to save face, but regardless, if Brexit actually falls through then it's only a good thing. One down, one to go.
shite world we live in where this being said is huge news innit
Honest question, and not looking to shit on you. What made you vote for Leave, and why would you still vote for Leave?
She'll come home, wreck everything in her office, in a mad fit of rage. "Curses! My plans foiled!"
My guess is she is saying this to try and push some of the no-dealers into accepting the deal as a compromise in order to guarantee Brexit will actually happen.
Fill in the gap: Brexit means ______
is it a wall?
A few years ago there was a time where I never thought stuff like the Brexit Referendum would have a majority or Trump would be elected President. My confidence in the political process (not that I ever had much in the first place) is gone. Sure there is some evidence that Trump and Brexit have a lot of shady goings on but the end result is the same. I really hope that MPs don't back May's deal tomorrow and a few years ago I would have seen that as an absolute certainty, but now I am very pessimistic about the whole thing. If Brexit is reversed or if the UK at least stays in the EEA and retains freedom of movement I'll be ecstatic but I just do not see that happening and I can fully imagine MPs backing May's deal by the smallest amount needed.
Politicians discovered that a long period of relative peace has left people unable to take action against corruption. Kids are spending their days looking at their phones and going out, not talking about stopping abuse of power.
I'm gonna assume when you say 'kids' you're meaning young people who are eligible to vote. It may just be the people I associate with but people seem to be aware of what's going on and are rather outspoken and critical of it. However, they are also completely apathetic and all they really do is turn into keyboard warriors posting on social media about how bad the government is while not really doing anything else. Most of them don't even vote.
I'm a libertarian socialist (using the original traditional interpretation of libertarianism as anti-authority and not the contemporary hijacked capitalist definition) and I don't really see the EU as being overall beneficial for socialism in the UK. I'm not particularly internationalist or nationalist either way. I see the EU more as a huge neoliberal hegemon dominating Europe that's bad for economic equality within Europe. I'm writing my dissertation on Greek austerity currently and it provides a good example of how, ultimately, the EU is still a huge neoliberal power akin to something like a British tory government. Most of the prominent figures within the EU are Christian Democrats and neoliberals. Bearing in mind that the eventual goal of the EU is a European Federal state (I think this is a fair argument to make without being conspiratorial), the shape of the EU is looking to be a continuation of neoliberal capitalism and the normalisation of undemocratic legislation making. By undemocratic legislation creation I am referring to the political direction being decided by many unelected world leaders (e.g. Theresa May) and the fact that the European Parliament has its legislative powers curbed by unelected bodies (Council of the EU, European Council). It means that we end up with a lot of policies that no one really wants, such as article 13. The EU is progressive relative to other world states so people don't have much opposition currently, this will become an issue when the EU starts pushing through leigslation people don't want. I could go on for ages, but another few reasons are the EU's anti-nationalisation policy, undermining working class communities with austerity/freedom of movement/other policies, and the fact that you can still have many benefits of the EU, such as science agreements and collective European solutions without having all of the negatives of a neoliberal superstate. This is a very breif summary though.
The European Council is made of of the leaders of the European member states - who are elected by the populations of those states. How are they unelected again?
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