• [Video] Are Traps Gay? | ContraPoints
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfsbKmAcL2w
It's not gay, its asserting dominance.
Its interesting that the transpanic motive for murder targets transWOMEN specifically. In that sense, for those that kill transWOMEN they don't approach them as WOMEN, but rather as MEN. From the perspective of the killer, it isn't a man killing a woman, but a man killing a man. In this sense, the transpanic defense is super wrapped up in the gaypanic defense. And if thats the case, its hard not to recognize that for those that commit violence against transwomen, that they view transwomen as men and therefore their answer to the question "are traps gay?" is a resounding yes. The point about few gay men being attracted to transwomen vs straight men can also be answered in this way: gay men aren't attracted to transwomen because they recognize, via some kind of LGBTQ broader recognition of humanity, that transwomen are women. So yes, for the people that contrapoints sleeps with who aren't bigots, of course they recognize her as a woman. I think a more correct but complicated answer to this question has to reconcile with the fact that trans identity radically complicates our default notion of sexuality as something baked in ("I was BORN STRAIGHT" or "I was BORN GAY"). The fact that theres even a porn category ABOUT TRANSWOMEN demonstrates that there is a lot of sexual attraction going on that cant be reductively read as "straight" or "gay" desire. Theres a lot that can be said about how the internet has not just been an open playground for our "real" or "authentic" sexuality to express itself, but also did a lot of work actively constructing it. The language of human sexuality emerges AFTER an understanding of human gender/sexual identity. Since trans identity complicates the latter, the current language we use (straight, gay, etc.) is anachronistic.
Anyone who takes "Are traps gay" seriously is pretty gay.
I just like girls with dicks gosh
I think it's only "gay" if you're worried it might be gay. Those who confidently embrace the nuance of human sexuality needn't worry about labels like straight or gay, but those overly attached to the identity of the straight manly man are certainly not quite as straight as they want to be.
It's always been the case with LGBT stuff where the feminine versions of a social identity tend to be more accepted than the masculine version. Like people have always low key been more accepting off lesbians than gay men because "lesbians are hot" and 'ew, men, icky'. One reason is that even though heterosexual women might have found female homosexuality uncomfortable for the same reasons as men in the case of the male version, because heterosexual men were until very recently in most positions of moral authority gay men tended to be treated worse. The other reason is that, traditionally, men are seen as the powerful, threatening gender while women were seen as being like children. As a result, there was much more fear about the dangers of homosexual men supposedly trying to groom young boys and even adult heterosexual men had (still have) an irrational fear of being attacked by some strong gay man. Women are viewed as weak and powerless, so they could never rape a man. Apparently the idea that women can rape other women has never crossed peoples' minds either as the current moral panic about transgendered men being in women's bathrooms is that there are these inconspicuous men who will pretend to be women in order to sneak into bathrooms in order to rape women. Apparently the thought has never crossed peoples' that if something like that was going to happen there'd already be a pandemic of lesbian women gangs cornering straight women and raping them in public toilets. The concept of some masculine 'other' coming to 'rape our women' probably goes back as far as our knowledge of human history. Historically, if you want to dehumanize a group of people, all you have to say is that the men of that group are going to come over and have sex with 'our' wives and girlfriends. For the men of the first culture group, It's the double whammy psychological impact of a stranger from somewhere else showing up and taking something that 'belongs' to them combined with the visceral image of 'defenseless woman being attacked by wild animal'. There's probably something coded into our very genes which makes that idea resonate with male members of our species. Homo sapiens evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to treat females as valuable commodities and men as disposable because females are the biological bottleneck when it comes to reproduction. It takes more than a few thousand years of civilization to overcome primal instinct. It explains why this kind of homophobia and transphobia is more of a visceral, emotional reaction related to masculine fear and insecurity than a logical conclusion with some holes in it.
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b-be s-oft, pplease
I agree with everything you said here. One interesting nugget to add here (and im not an MRA guy, so dont get any of this twisted it): from a cursory glance, it seems like the murder ratio between transwomen and transmen parallels the murder ratio between men and women. This makes a lot of sense if you think of the aggressor as not respecting the individual trans person's identification.
I don't know if this reaches the shitlord audience because they'd have to sit through ~12 minutes where it's either a preface or Natalie is justifying herself to her critics before we get to the philosopher's answer.
the mouthfeel is good lmao
here's my philosopher's answer to the statement "traps are gay": "ur gay" it took many sleepless nights of to come up with an argument this pure and powerful, use it wisely
Is it hypocritical to be sexually attracted to women but not attracted to trans women?
I'd guess yes, because you could be attracted to someone without knowing they are trans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zl1L0oWVoU
You can't control what you're attracted too.
Whenever I see any topic that goes on about gay shit, it always reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5VliEjyohM Straight is more gay than gay.
I ain't sifting through 45 minutes of schlock to hear "yes"
Contrapoints isn't "schlock".
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58129/41a74ea9-f547-4a32-a7e7-04b81bfa65c4/222.png For real, I just like feminine features.
I ain't sitting through one and a half films of schlock to find out Vader is Lukes "father"
I'm amazed you looked at a 45 minute video and decided to reduce it to a word. Not only that, but you didn't even get it right
It was in the goddamned thumbnail too.
wait I'm really confused about the "feminine penis" bit, it was dealt with so fast and without any explanation. so sucking a "feminine penis" is not gay, or actually sucking a dick, because....the skin is softer? the dick is smaller? all I got out of the mouthfeel bit was that you're still sucking a dick, it's just a more tender, daintier dick
no, tomboys are still women and are often straight women. Straight woman+straight man=still straight.
I mean, sure they have masculine qualities, but how common is it to genuinely mistake a tomboy for a man? Compared to trans men and trans women, who make huge efforts to be seen as the gender the transition to, including hormones that change skin, smell, body shape, musculature, etc..
I think the message was its dumb to worry if you're gay or not, just stop caring about such things and suck that dick if you're curious about it.
all i know is that you can't call something a "trap" if you knowingly walk into it.
As a transwoman, I had a crisis with this issue. I found myself getting more excited with cis-women, and was scared about what that meant to me and my identity. At the end of the day, there are differences, and not being attracted is very different than not treating someone like the gender they are.
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