run it and see. Itt'l likely show a strong enough remain to get off Mr Bones' Wild Ride.
Second referendum is basically just "let's hope people vote remain this time".
And what if leave wins? Not like there's a good deal on the table now, or that something you could call a "good deal" is even possible. So then is hard brexit absolutely necessary if no deal is reached? It'll be a repeat of 2016 except quite a lot worse.
Don't get me wrong, I'm against brexit any day of the week, but this has the potential to backfire horribly
Second referendum would still end in a leave vote IMO
3 choices
1) leave the european union completely
2) leave the EU but with a conditional deal, soft brexit
3) stay in the EU
if anything it will at least break the logjam between the hard brexiteers and soft brexiteers.
Run it as May's Deal vs Remain
A lot of people who voted to leave the EU aren't happy with cutting complete ties either.
It's easy to paint everyone who wanted out of the EU as some horrible racist who is scared of brown people coming to the UK (and it would be disingenuous to say that a good amount of leave voters do meet that description), but there was also a good amount of people who favoured keeping close ties with the EU, including stuff like freedom of movement, but having less EU restrictions on industries such as fishing (the Hebrides and Western Isles of Scotland, for example, though having a majority to remain as a voting area is very much opposed to stuff like the Common Fisheries Policy and other EU policies that just don't really work for such a rural area.
A lot of this might be down to Hebridean culture; Hebrideans like managing their own affairs and don't like outside government interference; they are not that keen on the Scottish government telling them what to do let alone the EU. Yet at the same time you will find that a lot of money is spent by Hebridean businesses to attract foreigners, especially in the hospitality and tourism industries and there is no real anti-foreigner sentiment among the majority of the population, although there is a big distrust for government interference.
Of course, the Hebrides/Western Isles are only a very small amount of the UK population as a whole and I fear that xenophobia is still gonna be a major factor that would swing a second referendum to 'No.'
Good to hear, Bazza, but has Jeremy actually committed himself to following that? Actions speak louder than words.
wouldn't doing this straight guarantee that remain wins
labour backing a second referendum would change nothing, by this point it's about which group of voters they want to virtue signal to.
Point in a second referendum is more no one in parliament will agree on a deal, May's aim to be strong and stable last GE backfired badly enough that she can't win a majority with any plan.
A second referendum will break a deadlock in parliament, be it for a deal that has the largest backing vs remaining in the EU. No one in parliament will allow no deal despite May's threats.
Plus we will hopefully have more realistic explanation of the pros and cons of each side vs "leave the EU, get a free money bus! Everything will be free and we will kick out them Muslims!!1!"
britain is stuck between three choices as it is.
Someone else phrased this in another thread, but it should really be 2 questions.
"Should we really really really leave the EU?"
"In the event that we leave, should we go soft or hard?"
Could be better phrased, but you get the point.
I think paralysis is going to cause enormous harm, and I think that is owed to the fact that a single referendum was flawed from the very outset. Not because the misinformation (although that didn't help things), but because you're measuring a known against an unknown. In the first referendum, there was only reasonable assumptions as to what it might be, versus the status quo. Change, versus status quo. Something that is unknown as to the extent it might occur. You had people wanting hard and people wanting very soft under the same banner. Because of the unknown, the misinformation campaign could easy flourish and grow.
Whereas now, there are three (realistically two) options. Known options, but options. It is a known vs known (vs known) situation.
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