• A Student Ate 5 Day Old Pasta. This Is How His Liver Shut Down. - CubbyEmu
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https://youtu.be/5ujTYLV2Qo4
I love this guy's videos. Really informative and cool.
5 day old pasta, that was left out unrefridgerated for 2 of those days... this guys videos are informative but that's borderline fear mongering in the name of clicks, which is pretty lame.
How so? Are you saying that eating 5-day-old pasta is okay?
These always freak me out a bit But as an Italian who routinely eats day old pasta I've never been more scared
Hey a pasta is a pasta https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/man-having-problems-toilet-70390924.jpg
Uh yeah 5 day old pasta is totally fine, as long as you refrigerate it. I wouldn't say you should do that all the time, but it certainly isn't going to kill you. The video should be called "A student ate food that was left unrefrigerated for 2 days", its the part that allowed the bacteria to grow that ultimately led to his death.
Shutting down your liver sounds like a big stretch, puking and shitting your guts out sounds more plausible.
There is a huge difference between eating food that's been refrigerated and eating food that's been left out and on the table. The entire reason refrigeration exists is because food spoils at a significantly slower rate when it's cold. I've eaten pasta that was 10 days old out of the fridge and I was fine, but the same pasta on the table for two days is trash as far as I'm concerned. Refrigeration isn't retroactive either, finding something you left out and putting it in the fridge won't add anymore to it's lifespan, if spoilage has already started it's going to keep going until it turns to rot.
These videos are always neat but each one he hides a little white lie to get more clicks.
They're also often an amalgamation of multiple cases that are often far less convenient in their situations and outcomes. He cherry picks extremes from multiple cases to create a theoretical case in which multiple elements play a role in explaining what is going on, and it sort of reads like an episode of House or something. He's not lying per se, and they are still informative videos derived from real cases, but they're quite dramatized retellings. To be honest, probably gets the audience's attention and that's a good teaching tool, but yeah, it comes across as click-bait-y. In 99% of cases, a healthy 20 year old, even one who has eaten an entire bowl of pasta and taken Pepto, won't die from liver failure; this case study was based on a handful of the only cases of Cereulide poisonings that resulted in deaths, and really, we don't even know completely why many of those specific patients died when they had family members exposed to the same food stuffs (and often with worse baseline health) who survived fine. For most of us, accidentally eating expired pasta won't result in much more than vomiting and diarrhea, but that title gets clicks.
surely microwaving the pasta until it was piping hot would've solved this? clickbait yo
Well yeah as long as it's in the refrigerator.
He didn't invent the hypothetical case study; these are often given at lectures and conferences to bring attention to health issues so doctors can be more well informed about something that they may have to deal with in the future. He's just retelling it verbatim.
it's not misinformation if you watch the video..
Heat kills bacteria but will not destroy the toxins they have already produced which also make you ill
While we're on the topic of hiding stuff, guy kinda gives of the impression that he's a doctor, when he really isn't. I get the impression that it's on purpose, but I really can't see the reason why he would, and I might also just be biased since I generally dislike his videos. I do think it's weird that his about page literally says "I'm a licensed provider", though, because it's both a bit obtuse, and I think most people would assume that means he's a doctor.
"Clinical Adjunct Professor, University of Illinois"
I mean that's on his twitter, and it also doesn't say what his degree is.
I specifically pointed out my issues were with the title, that he misrepresented the cause of death with a clickbait title. The content of the video was good, great even, as they tend to be. But the title is what people see first, latch onto, and commit to memory especially if they don't sit through the entire thing (as many will not). The title can be misleading and clickbait even if the content of the video isn't. They aren't mutually exclusive.
not when it's true. the bacteria from old pasta destroyed his liver. what is your issue, is it too scary for youtube?
https://youtu.be/aTK2r_iZw4w?t=26 He is a doctor and has a medical license. Clickbait title.
I eat unrefrigerated multiple day old food all the time and don't get sick. Looks like I'm going to stop that shit immediately though, didn't know that it was this risky.
Yeeeeeah, that's the video I found. Except: https://pharmacy.oregonstate.edu/sites/pharmacy.oregonstate.edu/files/nni_pharm.d._fellowship_brochure.pdf (page 19) It says he's a Pharm. D. (Doctor of Pharmacology), and doesn't mention an M.D. title. This was in 2016 (so maybe he's gotten one since?), but I can't find it anywhere. I also could find his license listed on this site (under the medical board): https://ilesonline.idfpr.illinois.gov/DFPR/Lookup/LicenseLookup.aspx/LicenseLookup.aspx https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/185359/13cbcd8e-e03e-4cd1-a656-847fcd1482c3/image.png https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/185359/1493bde6-4f49-4350-9923-ff1140178360/image.png But I can find it under pharmacy (granted, it could be someone else): https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/185359/aa3d0ddc-9464-466a-87b2-8c1cd67bcba0/image.png Honestly to me that video just makes him look worse in my book. It seems like he's trying to come off as a M.D., which is clear from the way you understood that video, too. Call me obsessed, but you kinda made me do this. Maybe he's licensed in a different state? Idk.
It is risky, but it also depends on the type of food. Some times of food provide better environments for certain bacteria that can produce toxins that are more dangerous than others. One actual common cause of severe illness or death, significantly more common than cereulide poisoning, is botulism from infused oils. When placing vegetables, especially garlic, in olive oil to "infuse" the flavor, Clostridium botulinum found on the skin of the vegetable is able to grow drastically more quickly in the airtight/watertight environment. This can be mitigated by various means, most commonly by raising the acidity of the environment, but with DIY foodies (Youtube video tutorials are extremely guilty of this) withholding this information, incidence of this kind of severe poisoning can be relatively common. This also applies to canning low-acid vegetables like tomatoes. You're not super likely to experience this sort of severe poisoning from noodles left out over a few days, though obviously it's a risk and the potential for severe illness is there.
My basic understanding is that there are actually a few bacteria that can survive being microwaved. I believe that's why you're not supposed to keep re-heating the same thing. Not my area of expertise though. Yeah, my bad. I misunderstood.
He said he's a doctor, and he's got a medical license. A pharmacologist is a medical scientist, clinical pharmacologists require medical licenses as far as I know. In this context I don't much care about nitpicking whether he's a medical doctor or surgeon or whatever, he's more than qualified to be making these videos reliably and truthfully.
Surgeons are medical doctors, though - as far as I can tell, doctors of pharmacy's are not. If you don't think it's wrong of him to give the impression he's something he's not, then fine. Whatever floats your boat. Personally I can't say I've found much fault with his videos from a medical standpoint, so you're right about that at least. I just find it weird that he's been keeping up this "I'm a doctor (of pharmacology)" and "patients seen by my colleagues" and "I'm a licensed provider" when he could, you know, not beat around the bush, and just be clear about his occupation. It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
https://i.imgur.com/a16DzyN.png Apparently. I asked follow-up for credentials since we cant find em. If he is licensed through his practice then that's gonna be through the nova whatever up there, which is Wash DC
Usually it's just shit like pizza, and only about 2 days max after. My family does it as well, but it's sure as hell a habit i'm not going to keep
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