• EU's top court upholds ban on flavored cigarettes
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https://www.dw.com/en/eus-top-court-upholds-ban-on-flavored-cigarettes/a-47298273
Eh, I just get mine from Russia, anyway.
I remember the first time I smoked a flavoured cigarette after smoking just normal tobacco for most of my life and was actually amazed how nice it actually tasted. When ever I go abroad I always come back with a bunch of mint and cherry flavoured cigs. Smoke them a lot faster and more frequently though, so many this is for the better.
I think this is a weird "think of the children" feel good law. It's not actually going to deter kids from smoking, they don't care about the flavor - they just think it's cool. Meanwhile, people who occasionally smoke a cigarette and preferred the flavored ones are getting fucked. Smoking certainly is a health hazard but ultimately it too can be okay in moderation. If we are this strict on smoking because it's bad, why don't we treat alcohol and gambling the same? Personally I don't smoke very often (maybe one or two cigarettes a week with a friend - because it does give you a relaxing effect), but I don't like it when the government decides to blanket ban stuff because of children. Maybe they should stimulate better education about the dangers of smoking (I didn't see any such warnings when I was in school), or maybe they should be stricter on shops/people who supply cigarettes to children.
So do a lot of people over here albeit through the heinous crime of duty free ciggies. Illegal cigs with retail value of £40,000 seized from Chesterfie..
Wait, I remember smoking menthol cigarettes years ago, they are illegal now?
There's a transition period where companies can offload their stocks, after that no more can be made or sold iirc.
factually wrong, i don't care if you smoke but don't spread this bullshit.
First of all, drugs have a subjective effect depending on dosage. I'm not wrong at all, nicotine has sedative effects alongside other effects. Research[6] suggests that, when smokers wish to achieve a stimulating effect, they take short quick puffs, which produce a low level of blood nicotine. This stimulates nerve transmission. When they wish to relax, they take deep puffs, which produce a high level of blood nicotine, which depresses the passage of nerve impulses, producing a mild sedative effect.  https://www.worldofmolecules.com/drugs/nicotine.htm
I don't think you can compare alcohol and tobacco with eachother. Moderate consumption of alcohol has health benefits while smoking has none. If the only positive effect of smoking is to "feel good and relaxed" then it's nothing more than a drug and should be treated as such. Someone once said that if smoking was discovered for the first time today, and people started doing it, it would be outlawed by the end of the week.
I'm comparing them on the basis of harm to society. I think alcohol statistically does more harm to society than tobacco, hence the comparison. It certainly should be treated as a drug, and we should outlaw drugs that cannot be responsibly used. But tobacco (and alcohol, caffeine, you name it) can be used responsibly, so I don't think it should be outlawed.
This is a pretty good idea imo. Everybody I know who smokes says they hate the taste of regular cigarettes and so only smoke menthols.
what drugs would you consider not able to be used responsibly?
factually not wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Pharmacology https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2946180/ Neurobiological mechanisms involved in nicotine dependence and r.. tl;dr: Nicotine produces its pharmacological effects through the activation of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors (nAChRs), which are widely distributed through the central nervous system (CNS). The activation of nAChRs by nicotine increases the release of most neurotransmitters including dopamine (Pontieri et al., 1996), noradrenaline (Clarke and Reuben, 1996), acetylcholine (Wilkie et al., 1993), glutamate (McGehee et al., 1995) and GABA Addiction and tolerance is rapidly formed with nicotine containing products due to rapid upregulation of nAChRs receptors which results in brain requiring more compound to produce same effects, and upon ceasing of use you'd end up with much less activity of nAChRs receptors than before, atleast till they downregulate back to more or less normal level. There are many medications which exploit nAChRs receptors rapid-tolerance mechanism, such as Memantine, which is medication used for mental impairment in Alzheimer disease. Instead of agonizing nAChRs receptors like Nicotine, Memantine antagonizes them, resulting in worsened memory and mental capacity for first few days, till receptors downregulate and give desired effect of improved cognition. Although it won't cure Alzheimer but it will alleviates some of the symptoms There's tons of other substances that are in Tobacco too, but Nicotine is main one that gives stimulanting/sedating/anxiolytic effects depending on dosage.
It's a bit arbitrary and in a way subjective, but I'd say drugs that cannot be used responsibly are drugs with an extremely high rate of negative social or health-related problems. For instance: Fentanyl, because of the extreme ease to fuck up and overdose resulting in death. Heroin, because of its strength and high addiction rates resulting in disastrous consequences for a lot of people. Bath salts, because of inconsistent composition. Research chemicals, because of the lack of understanding of long-term and even short-term effects (this includes THC analogues). Obviously, there are functioning addicts with every drug, but some drugs are known to be more problematic than others. Then again, you could also argue that making certain drugs legal will improve these issues, due to better quality-assurance/research/dosing. It's hard to say.
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