Trump admin says it's a "burden" trying to reunite seperated migrant families
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/report-trump-admin-does-not-plan-to-reunite-families-separated-before-zero-tolerance_us_5c55c3c4e4b087104753e468
On Friday, officials from the Trump administration said it would require too much effort to reunite the thousands of families it separated before implementing its “zero-tolerance” policy
in April, according to a declaration filed as part of an ongoing lawsuit between the American Civil Liberties Union and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
In the declaration submitted Friday, HHS officials said they don’t know the exact number of children who were taken from their parents before “zero tolerance” and that finding them
would be too much of a “burden” since there was no formal tracking system in place.
According to the inspector general’s report, 159 children who were separated under “zero tolerance” are still in ORR care, most of whose parents were deported and decided to keep
their kids in the U.S. due to dangerous situations back home. If the government doesn’t allow those parents to re-apply for asylum in the U.S., families may remain permanently
separated.
In the declaration, Jonathan White, a commander with the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, said that most unaccompanied children are released to family sponsors and
that in addition to logistical challenges, trying to reunite separated kids with their parents could be destabilizing and “would present grave child welfare concerns.”
Meanig they say its too hard to clean up their own fucking mess.
Probably shouldn't have separated them in the first place then you fucking limp dick gibbons.
Oh fuck you maybe you shouldn't have done it in the first place?
You know what's a burden? Being forcibly orphaned by policies instituted by racist crackers and growing up without knowing who your parents are because they were deported before you could talk.
The US government owes those parents and children nothing less than tracking the parents down (if they can find fucking Osama bin Laden they can find people they deported who want to be reunited with their children), flying them to the US and reuniting them with their children, and immediately granting them residency status. Not that Stephen Miller will allow Trump to sign any such bill while he's got his arm up the orange's ass, but it's what an America that truly believed in justice and equality would do.
This is absolutely fucking shameful. The US government rammed an undocumented process through that separated families and now they're complaining that unfucking the massive fuckup they committed is too haaaaaaaard. I can't fucking believe this. Fire this administration into the sun.
trying to reunite separated kids with their parents could be destabilizing and “would present grave child welfare concerns.”
You know what also presents grave child welfare concerns? Being taken away from your parents and leaving them with no idea where you are, you useless, fucking cumstain!
Imagine causing a gigantic problem and then whining about how fixing it is too much effort. A complete fucking disgrace of an administration, headed by one of the most pathetic little manchildren in existence.
Every single person involved in this deserves to end up destitute, penniless and at the bottom of the barrel.
Its like a little kid who had the time of its life dumping stuff onto the kitchen floor and making a mess. Then its proceeds to an whine and complain about how hard and unfair cleaning up the mess it made is.
Reading it and the guy is basically like: "we didn't even try to record how many children were seperated and discharged before June 26, 2018 because it's hard, and they were probably discharged following
standards, and they are probably with family members"
They owe nothing of the sort.
So that's it?
Families separated for life, never to see each other again
"lol sucks for you."
Um yes they do; they separated the kids from their parents and then kicked the parents out of the country without giving their kids back. That right there is akin to government sponsored kidnapping.
Nope. A lot of money in general will need to be thrown at the problem in order to house detained families while asylum claims and deportation hearings proceed, because there's been an issue with backlog since at least 2015. Bringing families together will have to be part of that. However, the legislature will need to accompany this with reforming our immigration system to close 'loopholes' produced by an interaction between international treaties, our existing laws, and later rulings on those laws, since it has verifiably led to people simply not showing up to court once they were received at the border and released, fueling political tensions over the current pathway to citizenship.
The US Government is obligated to bring these families back together because they were the one that ripped them apart to begin with, and none of the shit in this post shows otherwise.
It will be cheaper than a border wall
That sounds like something a LOW ENERGY administration would say! Surely Trump's administration hires only the best, HIGH ENERGY people right? ...Riiight???
How dare you insult the adorable gibbon with that comparison.
Imagine if like any other president used this sort of excuse when it came to solving a self inflicted problem.
Sort of like James Buchanan, the undisputed worst POTUS of all time before the shitgibbon.
"stupidly punitive"
You look at the child separation policy, and calls to reunite families, and between these two, that's how you're going to describe the latter?
So you are saying that they can not be held to fix their own shit because the shit is too messy aka expensive to fix.
Aka you are repeating the study in the op with more words.
Is that correct?
I'm guessing it's hard to think from the perspective of the thousand separated families as a sociopath. Because there's no other explanation to you.
Damn, poor guy, having to deal with a situation like this that he didn't get himself into and had no way of preventing.
/s
Yes, because your description of both is objectively wrong. The response was not to the idea that we should reunite families, but that we should give residency to people for crossing the border illegally and then being separated as a product of judicial rulings on the Flores agreement unrelated to the executive branch and instead a product of the Obama DHS being brought to court for detaining families.
This is why the debate over who should fix what came in the wake of Trump's prosecution policy was dysfunctional from the start, since his executive order to detain families was predictably contested in court and legislative inaction because of gridlock meant a status quo that neither side's representatives actually created, while the debate degenerated into sensationalist media headlines that, because it's mass media, meant another part of the policy debate became eclipsed by cultural spats within the masses.
As a testament to irrational political culture growing from the easy way to handle the problems of large, inefficient, and divided government, everything that proceeded from the prosecution policy onward was taking government dysfunction with multiple causes, interactions between them, decades of negligence in the making, and attempting to assign blame and therefore who has the sole onus to fix it.
So the debate was far more about fighting over who doesn't have responsibility rather than what should be done. The person I quoted expressed a sentiment that's just the next step in this cycle, using a post-truth 'fact' of single culpability to rationalize policy that wouldn't be supported in more rational times. So yes, his idea was stupid and punitive. Nobody has even attempted to prove otherwise including the person in question, instead I got a lot of words saying nothing.
glad you know how it feels to read your posts
now let me return the favor with my best impression
Either you restrict the argument to specific parameters in which I can't say "stupidly punitive" referred to "reuniting families", OR you go off into a bazillion different tangents that you claim are irrevocably relevant to the discussion and were, actually, being discussed all along (they weren't). The way you're doing both is classic conscript, you don't think of arguments as a two-way street, but as a soapbox where you, and only you hold the power, to shout into people's ears unchallenged - likely conditioning from years of interpreting the fact that people do not respond to you as an indicator that they can't, rather than that your posts are a wild stream of consciousness in poorly formatted walls of text that is simply frustrating to engage with. You give yourself free reign in determining what's relevant, and every little spur-of-the-moment thought that you feel fit to include gets awarded that relevance, while any branching on my part gets labeled wrong. I know elix was proposing a specific plan. It was very much a call to reunite families. My statement was only "objectively wrong" to someone who doesn't know what that means. To forego any mention of the ill conceived, cruel (and, quite likely, indicative of unchecked racial bias) child separation policy, and use the term "stupidly punitive" in reference to a plan to fix it that you find overbearing, rather than the policy itself, is about as tone deaf as describing an expensive measure to reward victims of the holocaust as "genocidal to the economy". That's all I was saying, thanks, bye.
You break it, you buy it. The US government has harmed these families in ways that can never be repaired. Irrepairable harm requires significant alternative mitigation to remedy since it is an attempt to remedy that which by definition cannot be remedied.
In conventional lawsuits, this means large (millions) damage awards. In this circumstance, I think instead of a large cash award (because that is the wrong message to send) the remedy should be what the asylum seekers were looking for in the first place, US residency. Note that I picked this term very specifically, as I think granting them citizenship immediately would also send the wrong message. But America fucked this up so badly they should be allowed to stay for at least ten years if not permanently. If they had been turned away at the border as an intact family unit they could at least find some alternative place to settle and make the best of their lives, but they've suffered permanent damage, and their children permanent developmental trauma, because of a deliberately cruel policy to make the southern US border unwelcoming and hostile to any non-citizen seeking a better life in the so-called best country in the world.
Should there be other reforms to fix a broken, ineffective, and failing immgration system that is failing so badly it's directly creating the illegal immigration "crisis" everyone claims to want to solve? Of course. But I didn't bring up any of those because those topics are irrelevant to the specific issue at hand, which is the United States government is illegally separating children from their families and effectively engaging in state-run kidnapping as a punitive measure against asylum seekers and is claiming to be incapable of undoing the separations.
But my suggestion to untangle the disaster is "stupidly punitive"?! Punitive to who? The US taxpayer? I fucking hope you've got a source stating it would cost more than $6 billion or else this argument is as heartlessly cruel as the Trump administration's response has been to the irrecoverable economic damage the record-setting shutdown just caused because the President demanded he get his way over his pointless monument megaproject.
@tempcon Do you actually think about the real-world impacts of what you say?
Bold words coming from you, my dude.
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