• USA Powerlifting bans all trans women from competing as women
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USA Powerlifting bans all trans women from competing as women USA Powerlifting has banned all transgender women from competing as women, even as a trans powerlifter in Minnesota recently won a state championship with another association, setting a state record. JayCee Cooper, a trans woman, had applied last year to compete in a recent USA Powerlifting event in Minnesota. In December her application was denied. “Male-to-female transgenders are not allowed to compete as females in our static strength sports as it is a direct competitive advantage,” wrote USAPL Therapeutic Use Exemptions Committee Chair Kristopher Hunt in an email to Cooper. “Transgender male to female individuals having gone through male puberty confer an unfair competitive advantage over non-transgender females due to increased bone density and muscle mass from pubertal exposure to testosterone.” This is pretty big IMO, first ban of its kind in lifting sports to my knowledge
This is such a difficult subject. I do believe trans women are women, but someone who has had their body develop and mature with testosterone is objectively going to be at a competitive advantage to a cisgendered woman, regardless of whether they identify as a women and whether they are undergoing hormone therapy. I think this is the right move to make but can't imagine it's going to be taken well at all.
I'm all for trans rights but this is a good thing.
They ain't fucking around either.
you can't start taking oestrogen and suddenly grow a womb; I know that's an exaggeration but the underlying point remains: hormones change a lot of your physiology but it can't revert everything that happened during puberty to the point as if it'd never happened at all; that unfortunately will remain.
Science > opinions/your feelings.
Then at that point you’ll have to make non gendered sports. To which point women will be completely dominated by men.
But they don't. Two very very mediocre MMA fighters transitioned about age 30 or so and proceeded to beat the hell out of their much more seasoned and better accomplished natural-born counterparts, and whne I mean beat the shit out of, I mean actual damage. Getting brute force mauled in a ring where technique will not provide a safe counter is not a thing that should ever occur in organized sports or out. Not acceptable. The evidence is not anecdotal, especially in the case of MMA and fighting sports.
Maybe we shouldn't be legislating this if there's no data, then.
Isn't a solution just to treat them as if they had been doping on testosterone? Then it wouldn't necessarily affect everyone.
Can't we just look at sports data for young athlete leagues or specifically competitions around the age puberty starts having an effect on body development? You'll see an immediate change in how different the statistics are for a boy and a girl. Combine that with the knowledge we already have that alot of puberty effects irreversible and you have proof that male puberty provides an advantage.
There are plenty of statistics, every sport has detailed statistics. And all of them show women are not as physically capable as men starting at a very young age. It's not just common sense to see the correlation like suggested by someone here, it's a proven fact. Science indicates most physical changes happen at a very young age so if we dont account for puberty blockers it's logical that we keep sports by biological sex.
All sports should be segmented akin to how boxing is, with lightweight/heavyweight/etc and just ignore sex altogether.
would a boxing match between a cis man and a cis woman who weighed the same still be fair? we need a complete overhaul of rules/qualifications in sports and athletics. especially with increased body modification / transhumanism on the horizon.
I always thought that was a safety thing. If you have Fridgelarge McFuckass up against Smallface Vonglassjaw then someone might die
That's already done in powerlifting and apparently a trans female still crushes born females.
It doesn't really seem like a fair competition. It seems like trans people will keep winning whenever they're allowed to compete and I don't know how we can solve this problem without someone feeling or being screwed over.
Thats one reason of many. Weight is also good all-rounder to account for weight, reach, muscle mass and all sorts of body proportions. Not much fun/competition watching a 7ft "arms the length of 4 metro carriages" win against a dude that has to jump up like super mario to hit him in the jaw.
if this was done in powerlifting, men would outclass women by a MILE. For example, if you look at the world record squat for the super heavy weight class for women (no weight limit), its 615 pounds or 279 kg. A 279kg squat is comparable to what the best men have done in their 74kg weight class, and about average for what an elite 81kg male lifter should be able to do. source for world record squat (without wraps) Women's Raw World Records | Powerlifting Watch
Holy shit man. Feels before reals or troll shitpost? I really can't tell the difference here.
Hormones significantly reduce muscle mass and density, even with no change in diet or exercise routine. They atrophy on their own.
Simple, make a trans competition.
Which would, inevitably, not be watched (women's leagues already suffer from a lack of viewership compared to male leagues, and a trans league would be far more niche). Plus, there's the whole "separate but equal" thing that trans people don't really appreciate very much.
If the issue is higher bone density conferring an unfair advantage, shouldn't we be testing all potential athletes for their bone density? Should cis men be tested, and if below this limit, be allowed to compete as women? Are cis men excluded from competing in contests against trans men because they'd have an unfair advantage due to pubescent testosterone exposure? Where and how should non-binary people compete? How are intersex people counted? Is a person who was assigned female at birth but genetically has XY chromosomes due to androgen insensitivity syndrome allowed to compete as a woman? You can ignore all of these questions if you'd like to, as most sporting organisations currently do, but they still remain present. Until then, I can only assume organisations are lazily banning trans people to avoid anger from people who don't want to spend any time rethinking their understanding of the human body from what they were told in primary school. Gender segregation in sports is, right now, inherently based around a ciscentric understanding of gender - that there are only two, and it's based on how you're born, and it never changes. Struggle points like this will occur everywhere unless we fundamentally reexamine how we categorise people, both in a sporting context and outside of it. You might argue that it's not currently worth the effort or money that might be involved in doing so - but if that's the case, this is an example of organisations settling with band-aid solutions that further undermine a group of people who are already under constant attack from governments and private organisations around the globe.
No it's not. I don't want to see men pummeling the shit out of women in MMA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U4KGz72SEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=PX3f3KnRvAk This fuck broke her opponent's skull.
Argument aside, please at least give her the basic human respect of not calling her a man. That's just not okay, even if it's not someone you particularly like.
You're seriously overdramatising it I feel: They are not banning anyone in this article from an entire competition These ways of classifying athletes have been used for centuries There will always be outliers in any classification but using birth sex accounts for 99.999% of the human population since people born as hermaphrodites is so small which to me makes it a very effective method There simply is no catch all classification and making one is an impossible task since everyone is born differently. If we follow your idea of making a catch-all classification then sports will become impossible. We'll have to get every athlete go through 100+ medical tests and probably end up not allowing some people to compete because they were born as an outlier. (who literally not have anyone to compete with) I prefer to think of someone like Usain Bolt as the fastest man alive. Not the fastest black, 1,95m, ACTN3 gene possesing, 95kg, jamaican male alive.
This isn't a question about science but rather about society. Science doesn't simply tell us where to draw the line in the sand on who can compete in what sports
Then thank God for people who still have common sense in society who realize dudes who become chicks shouldn't be allowed to compete in female only sporting events. It's what I would consider the lowest form of cheating.
That would be a good idea, except there arn't a lot of them
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