If you don't buy a ticket, don't get on the train. And don't attack security guards if they are forcing you off the train for not buying a ticket.
Yeah, she's pregnant but that doesn't give you the right to break rules or law.
I think this article is blowing it out of proportions. It paints Sweden as if we've turned from this immigrant friendly utopia to a fascist paradise. The are security guards are removing a resisting passenger without tickets from the subway, which is something they always do regardless of your ethnicity.
Of course you could argue about how they should have handled this woman, but trying to bring in racism and ethnic profiling?
the article said she had a travel card and was just about to get it out, but the guards were already writing a fine for her.
She also mentioned that she was on her way to the hospital due to contractions, are you really telling me guards couldnt make an exception for a woman who might be in labor and not issue her a goddamn fine lmao. Dragging her so violently out of the train was unnecessary, a more professional security guard wouldve handled this much better than this
She said she had her travel card with her at the time but could not find it. By the time she pulled it from her pocket, she said, the ticket controller had already issued a fine.
Does anyone have a video that actually shows what went down she received the fine? Or perhaps before the security guards grabbed her? The blogger that basically seems to have pushed this story out writes that she wants to put up the full five minute video, but like... why isn't it up?
The problem with these sort of situations is that it boils down to "I think they did it because they're racists" which is at its core pretty much just speculation, at least until a proper investigation is carried out.
The even shittier thing is that they usually refund or annul the fine, but insist that you still receive it and then contact them to be on-hold for five damn hours first. happened a few times to me with some trigger-happy personnel. Usually they just shrug with their emotionally dead facial expression, but one of the times the guy was nearly having a meltdown at me over it.
They need better pay and better training in dealing with people. Knowing when to go hardline is very important and not having a soul is definitely down to shitty work conditions.
Yes I did read that part, that still doesn't make my point less valid. It has nothing to do with her ethnicity. She threw the fine on the ground and was ordered to leave by the train conductors. Plus the article is ambiguous about the whereabouts of the ticket. She claims she "lost it", as she's quoted saying in the article. And the media person for MTR also claims she didn't have a valid ticket.
I've been riding these trains for almost 20 years, I know the conductors gives you time to look through your bags for the ticket. My parents have been fined too due to invalid tickets and they've still been allowed to stay on the train.
It was her behavior that got her ejected.
I don't know about subway stations in the rest of the world, but in Stockholm you don't use your travel cards ON the train, you use it at the entrance of the station, meaning she probably had no intention of paying in the first place, OR she had no credit to travel with. And if that were the case, she could just have explained how it was instead of resisting. Also if you are in labor you call an ambulance or get someone to drive, why would you use the subway?
But yeah, I agree that the guards exaggerated in their use of force and they were punished for it, but like swebonny said, trying to stamp this with a huge "RACISM" sign is just plain wrong and stupid.
But parties acted really stupid and both of them paid for it.
As someone who works as a Väktare/Ordningsvakt (public security) I can tell you that the guards did exactly what they were supposed to do. Keep in mind that ordningsvakter doesn't check for valid tickets- metro personnel do. The woman was stopped by controllants (civilian staff, not law enforcement) and refused to accept the fine (two offenses already), became loud and extremely verbal (public disorder, another charge added) and once the guards arrived to escort her out of the station she became physical (assault on a law enforcement officer, 5 years jailtime).
I think the guards could have handled the situation better by not pushing her into the bench but aside from that it's a pretty standard arrest. They acted completely within their legal rights. People yelling about brutality and racism have missed that 1) in reality fights look much more brutal, it never looks clean or "fair" and 2) it's not about racism, her skincolor had nothing to do with it.
Also, just because you're pregnant you don't get a free pass when you've broken numerous laws and indirectly assaulted two public servants.
If I was her I'd be fucking ashamed of myself.
To be fair, it's accurate in most regards.
In Stockholm or elsewhere? Always been curious about the job (and most law enforcement/security kinda stuff in general).
[quote]She said she had her travel card with her at the time but could not find it. By the time she pulled it from her pocket, she said, the ticket controller had already issued a fine.[/quote]
Ah yes, the crime of being too slow to take out the ticket.
The guards could have handled the situation better by not performing a 'standard arrest' on a fucking pregnant woman who was being fined for being too slow to take out a ticket she already had.
I mean to be honest this paragraph is just nonsensical:
She said she had her travel card with her at the time but could not find it. By the time she pulled it from her pocket, she said, the ticket controller had already issued a fine.
“I took the fine and threw it on the ground,” she said. “I was angry at myself for losing the card.” That’s when the ticket controller said she had to leave the train.
She says she had lost the card, but she also just pulled it out?
I have severe doubts that they literally just wrote her a fine because she was slow. You kinda need to state your name and all kinds of shit for to even write you a fine. I find it more likely that there's something lost in translation here, because it really doesn't make a lot of sense.
Everyone who doesn't have a ticket always says they forgot their card. The rational option would be to eat the fine, submit an appeal later and not make a scene, if you're in the right then chances are you'll just get refunded. If you're pregnant and experiencing pain, call 112 and an ambulance will be dispatched for you, the fees aren't like in America, matter of fact, they're way cheaper than a fine lol.
It's really strange to spin it as a specifically racist thing. Nobody with a valid ticket gets removed from the trains unless you're being abusive to other passengers.
the video reminded me of those chinese tourists that got thrown out
Or the time a lady from F! tried to do the exact same thing. It's weird because all of these events happen to be videotaped and in essentially none of them are the guards using excessive force.
If there's one thing I would have changed it would be to approach with female guards. Even better if they were also ethnic. Having people around you that you can't relate with whatsoever really does not help in what is usually a stressful situation anyway.
Södermalm.
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