• Parkland school turns to experimental AI that can flag students as threats
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/02/13/parkland-school-turns-experimental-surveillance-software-that-can-flag-students-threats/
Yeah, I can see nothing but false positives coming out of this.
Nothing of this sort would have changed anything. You wanna really know what would have stopped this idiot? The myriad of law enforcement and intelligence services that had been warned for months in advance about this guy. Not only were local LEOs warned and flagged regarding this individual, he was considered as a possible red-flag. The fact the police did not act on this when he was prepping/planning for this is all you need to know. You cannot fix the problem by thowing more money at it. Heads need to fucking roll, and any law enforcement officer/intelligence agent that saw this and refused to act on it should be cited or removed from their position for it.
We Minority Report now?
This is why people involved shouldn't be allowed to make policy. They're ignoring a lot of facts which include the failure of the school and law enforcement to act according to the threat posed. You think AI and cameras are going to help you? The school and the cops still have to react to the evidence or flag. I highly doubt the AI is enough probable cause or even recognized as probable cause. I think this is going to end up in a big legal battle as well. Or it is just a bunch of security theater to make everyone feel good.
I wonder how many pictures of pale kids in trenchcoats it took to train the neural network
System flags you for sitting alone at lunch so you come back home and get raided by the cops
let's not get rid of the rabid dog that keeps giving people rabies, let's instead try and wear some gloves when trying to pet it fucking hell america really loves to dance around the problems surrounding this entire issue dont they
This would be more like detecting rabies, I don't think that analogy really applies to what they are doing
Wait who makes the policy then? An AI? lol
Tell me, what can law enforcement do in that situation? So they get a bunch of calls warning against this guy, saying that he'll "shoot up the school". Then what? He hasn't committed a crime, so they can't arrest him. The rule of law dictates that the burden of proof is on the accuser. I am not sure if they had actual proof of him revealing his plans (which would then be a crime), and if they didn't, what can they do besides flagging him as a potential threat?
This might flag bullies as threats so that clearly makes the system completely useless for American schools since that's definitely not something they want to deal with
Conspiracy to commit murder is a crime
Actually saying your going to shoot up a school, or any person or place, can be considered making threatening statements (I believe they can sometimes be considered terroristict threats but I'm not certain if that is a specific charge or just a term used from time to time with no bearing.) Doing so is not considered protected speech under the first amendment and as such can be prosecuted.
My money is on a feel good security theater, and when the effect starts waning they'll put down some other bullshit thing that breaches into students' privacy
That’s one hell of a knee jerk reaction. Maybe we should throw in “social credit” as a school policy while we’re at it?
FBI, CIA, LEOs, are not held to any sort of standard or accountability that they should be. As long as people keep coming up with feel good solutions like this, that won't change.
Only a matter of time before that Chinese tech makes its way here
Yes, I touched upon this in my post. My point is you still have to prove that they made these statements in the first place.
Why not invest in taking care of kids in a plausible way that doesn't raises more kids with issues?
The police were at his home for domestic incidents 49 times in two years, he was a regular customer to them. He was reported to the FBI twice, at least once because he did make statements and he did have the weapons to carry those out. Even students at the school upon finding out who the killer was had the reaction of "Yeah I figured it was him.". If everyone already knows he is or was going to do it, and nobody acted, how is this AI going to do anything?
He never said the ai was going to do anything though????? He just said the police can't just "take care of" anyone who seems like a school shooter
Parkland school turns to experimental AI that can flag students as threats. Which just loops ups right back to:
how many of these people say they will shoot up a school tho. isnt it usually just like, "i hate my life" "everyone is against me" etc?
I feel like you’re purposely being obtuse to avoid acknowledging that law enforcement failed in their duties. There were several reports and threatening statements made by the perpetrator which clearly go above and beyond the standards of probable cause. This should have resulted in an investigation with search and/or arrest warrants being issued. Under the logic you are presenting, the “rule of law” would prevent police from tracking, raiding, and arresting people who make bomb threats over social media. Funny how that never seems to be an obstacle in those situations.
Can you just give him the evidence he asked for?
How is affirming that the police aren't as effective as you think they are also affirming, in your mind, that AI is going to be effective at stopping threats? You think it's literally impossible for him to make a statement on the police without also agreeing with AI tracking children?
China time? China time.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/timeline-parkland-shooter-nikolas-cruz/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fe3697590673
We're not on the same page here, I'm saying the AI is not going to stop threats.
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