I don't really think what the UK needs is another conservative party tbh
fuck centrists, fuck labour and also fuck the tories
Lib Dems are in on it too, the article says they would be open to merging into the new party which could be called the Reformist Party
given labour are centrist at best on a good day, the result is only gonna be more neoliberal bullshit
But the article states their platform is pro-EU?
a reminder that the EU is neoliberal centrist bullshit too
I would like this but I don't think it would work.
It's been effectively a choice of Labour or Conservative for Westminster for decades with the occasional Liberal Democrat coalition. If the Westminster voting system changed from first past to the post to something more like alternative vote I can see a new party like this becoming at least somewhat influential but sadly I can't see it happening.
The primary reason they're pro-EU is to protect trade and the free market, ie. continue to bow to the whims of multinational corporations that dominate the economy and keep the cash rolling in. It's not like they're pro-EU because they care so much about immigrants or something.
Neoliberal and centrist really are everyone’s go-to derogatory terms, aren’t they?
But the point is, I don’t think a potential party where its supporters advocate for European solidarity, free movement and anti-racism is just ‘another conservative party’. Those elements seem at odds, somewhat, with the direction of conservatism today.
it straight up won't work, it'll just add more bureaucratic fog into westminster and clog up an archaic system of government even further; the fact that a third party is even being considered when the last two years have been the biggest fuckin filibuster on the democratic system actually functioning as was originally intended (ie. actually functioning). imo the entire system of government as it is now isn't fit for purpose and needs to be removed and replaced with something that isn't as shit as what we've got now
I agree that the Westminster institution as whole is pretty bad.
This proposed party are unlikely to really have people's best interests at heart and are infinitely more likely to care about industry and that sorta stuff, but the fact is that being a member of the EU/EEA is a net benefit for the UK and I'll back that until I'm dead, so I would vote for them over any other party. (except maybe the SNP if it was UK wide but it's not so eh)
Labour aren't anywhere near as neolib as the US Democrats, especially with Corbyn, so it may not be too bad.
i agree with the UK being better off within the EU for the short-term, as under the current tory government, it's the only thing stopping them from some of the nastier shit they have planned; in an ideal world we'd be able to look after ourselves but that's a way off and shit's gonna have to go down before we get there
I think Corbyn is a genuine and honest guy, but at the same time I really do think that there is a not-small core of the Labour party who can be compared pretty well to US Democrats.
Not to mention Corbyn, as nice a guy he is and sticks to his convictions, is not really that good at leading a party.
they're not neolib but they're centrist on non-economic issues including the EU as evidenced by corbyn's flipfloppin'
Corbyn is a leftist critic of the EU because he's a capital S socialist who believes in decentralizing industries and putting them in the hands of the local public, instead of this massive multinational conglomerate. He's in an awkward position because he doesn't want Britain to be in the EU but it's obvious this Brexit is complete chaos and totally mismanaged, hence the hand-wringing and lacking defense from him. He's kind of trying to have it both ways and it doesn't really work.
The Labour right are spineless corporate shills, they have never attempted to work with Corbyn and got crushed twice by him in leadership elections.
The fact they have no confidence in winning over the public against him speaks volumes. Corbyn's policy on most things are simply much more appealing to the public, while theirs sucks arse.
It tells you everything that they would rather work with Tories, worthless cunts who are more interested in corporate interests than the public.
david milliband was a good centrist, but now he's fucked off to do some rescue mission work.
you need a modern tony blair to have any hope of this working.
We don't need centrists. The status quo right now is to fuck the lower classes into the dirt to boost the economy by any means and increase the profits of big business, while throwing the odd social reform like gay marriage our way to pretend they are still left wing. Much like the US Democrats, the Labour right are out of touch cowards who can't appeal to the public anymore and their policies fall flat. Corbyn completely and utterly obliterated the most competent politician they could muster, it wasn't even close.. luke warm, weak as fuck economic policy is what has caused the North to feel utterly left behind, everything is focused on London and nothing else. Look at places like Blackpool and Sunderland, utterly bleak places with no hope, high suicide rates and awful economic prospects. Labour under Blair continued the legacy of Thatcher and now it's falling apart.
There is rage among the northern working class, it manifested into Brexit, much like it did with Trump in the States. The centrist cares about nothing but economic growth, not about the intense growth in economic inequality or the youth being left with a shit future and the failing education system. It likes to play up it's social policies which are admittedly fine but it's not enough to win over the working class. Corbyn resonates with many. He's a man who's stood up for the vulnerable his whole life and has fought his entire life against rampart capitalism. His image has been ruined by the media rags and his "centrist" allies backstabbing him at every turn but despite this, he overcame a 20% trail in the polls and destroyed the Tory majority despite them being led by the most "popular" PM in modern history. His policies do win over the public, it's just anyone who argues for them is painted in such a horrid light they tank hard in the polls.
Corbyn is my local MP, he's genuinely does care about the blight and inequality seen throughout the world, he has refused all corporate funding in his Labour party and has acted with complete and utter class the entire time he's been here. He's never demonized anyone, he's never tried begging for sympathy and he's currently got the hardest job in the country, attempting to find a solution to a problem so toxic and retarded there's seriously no way to win. I trust Corbyn, faults and all, to lead us more than May, Blair, Miliband or whatever smug dickhead who has dehumanized much of the country and left them to rot to please their rich friends. I don't give a fuck how pro EU they are. This country is going down a dark path and it got started the moment neo liberalism popped up with Thatcher, we don't need anymore of it and neither does the rest of the western world.
If this happens, it'll just lose Labour seats. Labour would be more likely to move to the left than the Tories would be to move to the right, which would lead this new centrist party to just want to work with the Tories instead of with Labour - and we'd end up with another 2010 situation, even assuming that somehow the vote wouldn't be split enough to just give the Conservatives a landslide.
If you want to talk ideology, that's one thing - though I'd say GrizzlyBear raised some extremely good points in the post above me. But from a pragmatic perspective, this will do nothing but bolster the Conservatives' stranglehold on power.
Yea, thinking was a good idea of using Liberal Democrats with remaining MPs was smart plan, that will fail on its face.
And also got me thinking if most all Liberal Dem voters are ok of their party merging into a single-issue sounding new centrist party since they getting used being under two different versions of same party in the last 160 years, that only do more harm than actual good for Pro-European and centrist voters.
Neoliberalism and people best interests at heart are mutually exclusive. Neoliberalism is a system for the rich by the rich. Look at plummeting social mobility and increasing inequality, stagnant compensation for work despite increased productivity and gdp, children going hungry whilst billionaires make more in a week than an average person could make in a lifetime.
A neoliberal party doesn't care about people beyond throwing them a bone to get votes.
I'm pro EU but in the EU we have shared (and increasing) regulations across the block, free movement and surplus recycling mechanisms in the form of EU investments, all this works to offset the downsides of neoliberalism, else its a race to the bottom.
hey if it takes votes away from the Tories i'm all for it
I do genuinely want to see what Corbyn can do in the PM seat. I hope he gets his day, it's been a long time in the UK since we had someone who prefers to talk to opposing groups instead of bombing them out of some perverted principle of heroism.
I came here to rant about how another status quo party with nice palatable social policy is fucking bullshit and not what we need but you did it for me, and better.
I will add that the entire country has almost become a single issue problem, and of course it's kind of understandable, but in a couple of years when whatever has happened with Brexit has washed over, the bigger problems that exist and have existed for a really long fucking time are still there, and you can be certain this 'pro eu centrist' party has no real interest in sorting them.
Austerity hasn't ended. The NHS is collapsing for no good reason, people are starving, there aren't enough houses, public services are collapsing and quite frankly the country is and will continue to be more fucked than Brexit could ever make it. It's just more milquetoast liberal bullshit this time preying upon the issue occupying everyone's minds, and it damn well isn't enough to change the course of this country, nevermind the world with the way we're headed.
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