Trump urges Venezuelan military to abandon Maduro or 'lose everything' - Polidicks

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-trump/trump-urges-venezuelan-military-to-abandon-maduro-or-lose-everything-idUSKCN1Q71G8 U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday warned members of Venezuela’s military who remain loyal to socialist President Nicolas Maduro that they are risking their future and their lives and urged them to allow humanitarian aid into the country.

Hmm. Hint hint, US troops.

Please don't, we are in the right for once and shit is looking to go into a positive direction naturally, if we keep pushing hard it's nothing but fuel for maduro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7qkQewyubs&t=57s

just a peaceful little coup and definitely not the overthrow of actual democracy in Venezuela, in favour of a US puppet

Guaido is the legitimate president despite being supported by the US.

He refer as legitimate interim president by National Assembly and most of all US allies with some non-US countries for now, not a permanent president of people get confused from it.

Legally sure, thanks to a ridiculous clause in the constitution that allows the National Assembly to declare who gets to be president(at their will), instead of the actual people of Venezuela. The clause itself states: The President of the Republic shall become permanently unavailable to serve by reason of any of the following events: death; resignation; removal from office by decision of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice; permanent physical or mental disability; ... abandonment of his position, duly declared by the National Assembly; and recall by popular vote. Which makes the actual intentions of the clause quite clear and fitting with most nations: If Maduro were to become physically unfit or mentally unfit to serve as president, but refuses to give up the post, the National Assembly is supposed to rightfully declare a successor to prevent chaos; unfortunately, the clause isn't specific enough in telling the National Assembly what they can boot the President out for I guess, since the Assembly used the "abandonment of his position" clause to boot him. They justified this by saying that Maduro is no longer a president, but a dictator; which has no concrete evidence, and as such, is ironically subverting the democratic elections to install someone who received zero votes because he and his party refused to participate in the election.That clause is quite obviously referring to a president failing to meet the expectations of the position or in the literal sense, just no longer performing those duties, but they decided to use it abstractly by saying that Maduro abandoned the position of president by declaring himself a dictator or some bullshit. This exact clause was already used once before, upon the death of Hugo Chavez, which resulted in absurdly close election in which Maduro came to power. Maduro won with just 50.6% of the votes, and guess what, the opposition said he cheated that election too and were humiliated when they did an audit of the results and found no discrepancies. The US has been trying to get the "Socialist" government out of Venezuela for years and literally supported a 2002 coup attempt(that initially succeeded), prior to this attempt, all because Chavez befriended Cuba, and refused to bend the knee to the good ol' USA.

I just don't want Trump starting a war to get oil or reelection.

It's happening regardless lol, Guaido has virtually no support outside of foreign support(diplomatically speaking) so even if Trump doesn't actually go to war with them, you're probably gonna see US troops or US trained and armed Venezuelan troops as they have done countless times before in South America.

I don't think Maduro has much legitimacy as president but also invading Venezuela is a hell of a bad idea.

The Venezuelan military isn't going to back Maduro over "everything", but they will back the bolivarian constitution. Ah, but the US don't care. We're going to conflate the two, and invade like we always do in south/central america.

It's not about oil. Nobody wants that venezeulan garbage

Not saying you're wrong, but I've been seeing alot of propaganda on the local news here in the UK, 5-10 minute pieces on underprovisioned hospitals and starving kids in Venezuela all of a sudden. Seems to me there are decisions being made about Venezuela that go over Trump and his cronies internationally.

Can you elaborate on why isn't he a dictator?. and if you can, your definition of a dictator. Oh, and your opinion on the Constituent Assembly, too.

Propaganda pieces? You're fucking delusional lmao.

They unironically support posting RT News because 'we have to know what Russia is thinking'. Even when given sources which effectively screen what RT produces and cuts out all the conspiracy state-sponsored propaganda, their opinion is we 'need the raw, unfiltered, RT News'. They're a consumer and advocate of propaganda, so it's their obligation to call most things 'propaganda' because it makes their position easier to defend if 'everyone's doing it' is an accepted and valid 'excuse'.

Do you actually like Maduro?

Who in their right mind would accuse the United States of orchestrating a coup in a foreign country to install a puppet regime that will let western capitalists suck the nation dry? This isn't like the dozens of times they've demonstrably and unabashedly done exactly that before, this time it's out of the profound [u]humanitarian[/u] concern that is deeply embedded in the culture of the... *checks notes* ...country that imprisons and tries children, bankrupts the sick when it does not deny them medicine outright because there's no profit to be made, and develops mobile apps to report homeless people freezing and starving to death outside vacant luxury condominiums. Won't someone think of the Venezuelan children? Specifically the light-skinned ones?

You don't know what you're talking about mate.

Not particularly, but I do however like countries having free will outside of the US sphere of influence so unfortunately it's either support him(or rather his government), or support another US-led coup in Central/South America. In the past 100 or so years, there are but a handful of Central and South American countries that haven't had their governments toppled by either direct, or discreet US intervention; those countries are: Paraguay Ecuador Colombia(lots of US companies influencing them over the years though) Belize That's it, out of like 20 or so countries. Just four have been able to go their entire existence without US intervention. No country in modern history has subverted international Democracy as frequently as the US has in the past century, because that list doesn't even include their actions in the Middle East/Africa/South East Asia.

Creating a new congress and staffing it with your supporters in a sham election is totally a not-Dictator thing to do. The Venezuelan Constitution is still standing in his way and it's the only thing currently in favor of the National Assembly, but no worries because Maduro wants to rewrite the Constitution, which totally won't favor Maduro and his cronies. What if the Prime Minister of Canada declared that he was going to create the Congress of Canada, then held an election overseen by his supporters, and when the Congress of Canada miraculously fills with the PM's supporters, he strips the Parliament of Canada of it's power. Does that not sound like a legislative coup?

Proclaim he's nice all you want, but didn't the dude basically come out of nowhere and literally declare himself president? Anyways, not surprised with these games, America got pushed out of Syria so they have to solidify their influence everywhere. How sad for the smalls. But everyone with even half a brain and actual neutrality knows that it's a loss-loss situation no matter who wins - Maduro will keep the idiotic economic system, Guaido or whatever stooge replaces him will pull a good ol' "sell literally everything of value to foreigners so that your economy is permanently deleted and colonized, and the only thing that would stop it is an immediate collapse of the world system, with billions dead mandatory" like what happened here

Having a house with running water and food in the fridge is a nice thing to have. In such a house you can go through to your computer, log on, and then declare your support (before leaving the thread and playing vidya) for a man who presides over a country in which most people lack both these because of his actions.

He didn't come out of nowhere, and he did lawfully take the presidency as per their constitution. What is hard to understand about this?

Pretending that Socialist economics(which Venezuela hardly even classifies as) magically cause widespread famine and humanitarian crisis', just isn't gonna fly any more. That shit only worked before the era of the internet, in which mass media suffocated all small publications. Independent journalists tend to tell a far different story of Venezuela than the mass media of the West(or at least a less dramatised one), just as independent journalists tell a far different story of many of the US's 'greatest' cities and their widespread poverty(and death). Poverty is everywhere, no matter the wealth of a nation, but is made nice and tidy under capitalist regimes by booting the homeless elsewhere and out of sight. For example, here in North America, there is pretty much no mechanism for recording the deaths of homeless people(since they didn't die from homelessness, they died from exposure, or drug overdoses, or sickness, etc), but it is pretty much a guarantee that this recent polar vortex has killed tens to hundreds of homeless people; all of whom were quietly packed up and sent off to wherever. Considering that at least 21 people died so far who weren't even homeless, I can't even imagine how many homeless people died with nowhere to warm up. One could argue that it's Venezuela's fault that their exports are almost entirely comprised of petroleum(which has now plummeted in price), but considering that prior to Hugo Chavez their oil was almost entirely privatized(by US companies), and after Chavez nationalised the reserves their GDP boomed to nearly twice its size; I would argue that the international community/investors and their focus on oil is to blame for that, since that's what they decided to develop and funnel their money into(prior to Chavez taking it back for actual Venezuelans). A similar situation occurred in Rwanda wherein the Belgians had pretty much entirely focused the colony's economy on Coffee plantations, which in turn plummeted in price(after independence), and had a direct hand in the eventual Genocide. Rwanda had no say in the direction of their economy prior to their independence, but ended up with all the repercussions and blame. I mean, even here in Canada we were hit hard by the plummet in the price of oil, but unlike Venezuela, we have the luck to have both an absurd amount of land, and an absurd amount of different resources within that land. Venezuela doesn't have such luck, and as such they were pretty much destroyed by all the bullshit going on behind the scenes in regards to the price of oil. The point of this is, we have to begin working together as the international community that we are, and stop focusing on short term profits. Every nation knows the potential ramifications of their fuckery in regards to the prices of commodities, but they still choose to artificially inflate, or deflate prices to serve their own interests(such as further increasing profit margins); the impact on Venezuela's economy is just one extreme example of this greed. We can't just keep toppling governments to fit in with our international economic agenda; it's clear that Capitalism and Socialism don't work together, so it's either one or the other, or, an alternative economic solution(but since Capitalism is flawless the US(primarily) refuses to admit its failings and adapt).

What does any of this have to do with Venezuela's current president, Maduro not only being a handpicked successor of the last president but also by all accounts by international observers also a fraudulently elected one who then proceeded to remove all of the National Congress' power so he could turn around and launder hundreds of millions of dollars out for him and his closest advisers? Are you and Vuu just that special kind of idiot that sees 'United States' and then has a sheer spastic heart attack?

Another step in the worlds most obvious PR campaign to create a coup in Venezuela ( and maybe even invade!). It's now just a process of the foreign-policy cranks hearing the justifications they've come up with from other people enough times to gaslight themselves into believing they're true.

The sitting government's attempt to regain the power that has been unjustly taken from them is the coup? Not the stripping of their power in the first place?

did you guys learn fuckin nothin from honduras or what