• Theresa May 'has a problem with immigration' says Tory detector Anna Soubry
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47312336/pm-has-a-problem-with-immigration-soubry
where did she learn to detect tories
Take everything Anna Soubry or any members of the Independent Group say with a pinch of salt. There first priority now is to stay in the news, so no wonder they're "exposing" such a hot button issue. It's just so insanely transparent it's hard to take her seriously.
While what you say is true T May does have a problem with immigration. She's the one responsible for the "racist vans" telling Bulgarians to go home.
I always thing Anna Soubry looks like Theresa May did before she fell into a salt mine and had all the water drained from her face.
I would say the whole of Brexit is a problem of immigration and against free movement but hey if you want to sidestep the bus barreling towards you.
We all know Theresa May is the current soul vessel of Margaret Thatcher.
Naw the tories are behind it because it lets them deregulate stuff
The "tories" were behind Brexit as a power grab by a sub-group of the party, not for deregulation. Being inside the EU would provide far more "sinister conspiracy" abilities then being out. While what you say is true T May does have a problem with immigration. She's the one responsible for the "racist vans" telling Bulgarians to go home. The vans never told Bulgarians to go home, it told people staying in the UK illegally to go home before we have to waste millions fighting pointless legal battles trying to deport people. Baring in mind these are people who never legally got citizenship, won't go through the proper channels or have already had their chance to defend there position and refuse to leave. The only issue with the vans was the sensitive nature of the message, and that they were employed in areas which had a high number of illegal immigrants. Which unfortunately meant they were used in areas with high concentrations of certain ethnic or national groups. And understandably it was offensive to people living in those area's that were there legally. But you cannot build a persons entire policy over a advertising campaign just because she was the home secretary at the time.
she wishes i wasn't alive during Thatcher's regime but I've heard those who do like Thatcher praise her for being stern, a strong leader, the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" type. basically everything that May isn't.
It's almost ironic how Thatcher's strong nature is what makes some people, including a few neutral historians, argue that Thatcher was one of the best PMs (you're free to disagree, but polls about the woman are typically high). Meanwhile, Theresa May has tried to follow in her footsteps yet is heavily regarded as one of the worst PMs in history.
You're right, and her public opinion would probably be better if she did, except I think she'd find a way to screw that up too. Plus, Theresa May's ratings aren't low because "Oh, everyone else was just better"; it typically comes down "Oh, well, she's shit, that's why". I'll try and find the polls when I get out of university.
You're forgetting the big one: The UK didn't vote May in in the first place. They voted David Cameron back in and she wormed her way into office once he quite over the Brexit referendum. And then when people did have to vote for her it was through a Snap Election that resulted in huge losses for the Conservatives across the country.
If the people vote yes and then it turns out the coffee is cold and awful, Tories will forcefeed you cold coffee through a funnel until you burst.
To be fair, I live in a Tory safe seat, and around here they all say exactly the same shit about May. (although they spend most of their time foaming at the mouth because Corbyn is the secret leader of isis or some shit)
wasn't thatcherism basically a massive failure economically and socially? Her party rejected Keynesian economics when it went against things like austarity and tax cuts, she sold off and privatized huge amounts of the country's services for no real benefits, and massively promoted british nationalism in the face of european multiculturalism and gutting of labor protections which is exactly what lead to brexit and caused the massive crash of black wednesday through economic stupidity Like Reagan, Thatcher has always seemed to me like someone who the right reveres just because they were the most successful conservative of their time but should not really be worth the praise given an objective look at their policy platform and the long term effects of their changes.
The two of them had rather similar policies too, in that they failed to deliver on what they set out to do, but were so bombastic and stern that they garnered respect despite accomplishing nothing.
That's the point. Her appeal literally comes from Falklands and being stern. Her impact was mostly short-term, but she filled a substantial gap of time. But that seems to be the case for a lot of Prime Ministers (we've got quite a few forgettable ones as well). Conservatives also like to brag about Thatcher because it was under the seemingly traditionalist party that the UK saw its first female Prime Minister...and second. I don't actually think Thatcher was a paragon of evil, which is an unpopular opinion, but very few of the reasons that she is praised are because of her actual actions, aside from the aforementioned Falklands & iron skin (even though the iron skin slowly began to peel away). Tories also love her because the Labour equivalent of Thatcher is Tony Blair, and the Tories are thus able to point out that it was Blair, the Labour leader, that took the UK into a war with malicious intent, not the evil Tories. So, yeah, very little praise is directed towards things she did. If you were forced to make a list of Thatcher's pros and cons, most of her cons would be from a modern perspective, whereas her pros must be seen through the 1970s-1990s lens. She was not a sweet lady, that much is stone-cold fact, and I'm pretty sure her daughter turned out to be a nutter, but I don't think she deserved the hell she experienced in her final years. Or perhaps I'm just too soft.
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