Videogames are and always have been political. There's a political message in almost any game
https://youtu.be/7_tdztHiyiE
Better watch, imo
Just about this entire video isn't even about politics it's about representation and how he doesn't like it.
It's more about journalism that seeks out controversy than politics in video games
I don't really disagree with the main point but it's not that big of a problem imo
God, that was cringe, and I hate that word but nothing else qualifies.
Also, don't do what Bee did when he posted a video and called someone a pedo.
I'm not opposed to political statements at all, but I really do not like lowest common denominator statements like adding female solider in WW2 for the "sake of gender equality." It's intuitively absurd and does anything to discourse except that you want to virtue signal.
Basically, put effort into the statement you're making or else you'll embarrass yourself and the subject matter.
I like the sunglasses and snapback
I mean, Act Man thinks Metal Gear fucking Solid isn't political... many big IPs like MGS and Fallout have huge political messages and overtones to them that many people seem to over look or didn't care about.
And then you get misinterpretation, like this:
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/110018/d84c5083-191b-45b2-a22f-3083c13240f5/image.png
https://i.redd.it/qgo765znski21.jpg
Ah yes, The Act 'I said (insert gay slur here) as an insult and I made an entire video explaining why I feel like I can do it after everyone on twitter complained about it ' Man.
this guy has half decent criticism of actual games, his cod videos and his old halo videos arent half bad but HOLY FUCK is his shtick annoying as all hell
I agree with you except the word "virtue signalling" as it poisons the discourse.
How come with this one thing they have to do it perfectly before they can do it all.
If they didn't do a good job with a character just talk about that.
My beef with the gamerbro schtick of reeeing at "one dimensional whamen" is that if it's white space marine #9593 then it's no big deal but as soon as it's a woman it's a political agenda focused arbitrary forced diversity get those fuckin lesbians out of my post apocalyptic zombie game type deal.
Women/minorities aren't political pawns used to appeal this SJW boogeyman that has been strawmanned into existence because gamerbros spend all their time on twitter with no actual human interactions.
FP has come a long way since saying "wtf" was a permaban.
The most amusing ban was when postal banned the guy for saying that a little girl should have known the risks when a man with a gun was going to shoot the girl and her father. Postal(I think) posted about 5 separate ban reasons saying what a colossal stupid post it was and it was wonderful.
My personal ban that was funny at the time was when I was autobanned for saying "sniggered" due to racism. @Hezzy unbanned me but then I did it again because it was funny. I was then banned again. I was a stupid teenager.
Beyond wickedplayer494 breaking the universe on page 4, the only other bans I remember are the weirdos.
Ryu-gi's "My God you're a freak" and that one Lua programmer's "What the fuck is wrong with" ban. I think everyone knows the former (it's easy enough to find if you don't; Ryu-Gi even has a song in his honor), but the latter was when this Lua programmer said that he likes to "throw hamsters as hard as I can against the wall. I like the sound they make."
I feel like the discussion isn't about the one term, but about its two definitions.
Is the problem really people talking about video games in a way he doesn't like? Or is the problem really people talking about video games in a way he doesn't like because the points made are fucking ridiculous, baseless buzzwords strung together in order to drive views.
You really should differentiate between those two cases before talking about this subject (which the guy didn't do). And the solution to the second case is not to tell people to stop talking about it, but to point out their bullshit (in my opinion).
For a great example of this, there was a presentation called 'Never Forgetti' from 35c3. I had a huge problem with the presentation. The speaker brought up a single point about a handful of games, labeled it whatever they wanted, and patted themselves on the back for being so deep and introspective about video games. Like how they took a single example from a single video game and pretended like that meant the entire medium had a problem with that. But the solution is not to silence that speaker, to say, "No, no, you naughty thing! How dare you question character representation in video games!" but to point out the clear bullshit in the speech.
If you can't do that second part, I feel telling people to shut up about video games, no matter how dumb their claims, is even dumber.
Apologies for off-topic post, but that guy who wrote a screed on how he wanted to have sex with Autumn is arguably one of the reasons she left the forum. That is one of the worst.
Do we really have to continue discussing why women and minorities can be allowed in video games without it being "political statement?"
Do women and minorities only exist IRL as a political statement and not just, you know, because they're human fucking beings like we all are?
"i don't like women and minorities in games, they're always forced diversity" is always incredibly flimsily veiled "i don't like women and minorities in video games". A tacked on statement to try to look like you have some sort of legitimacy to being a pathetic human being who doesn't actually have any sort of context where women and minorities aren't "forced diversity" unless in the case of women they're just there for you to masturbate to.
Video games are only so political because the media are making them so political. Anything with a decent plot will have some sort of political message just for the sake of it having a plot, and they always have. How about we stop giving a shit so much about that aspect and actually focus on how good they are as GAMES?
Oh wait, but that won't make it clickbait, will it?
It's sad because these people view the world through the lens of "white men are the default human beings and everyone else are outliers"
This is a super dishonest way of framing Battlefield V. EA and DICE officials gave several interviews that talked about the topic and at no point was the reason for women in the game given to be "for the sake of gender equality".
Virtue signaling means nothing. You are virtue signaling right now. Namely the virtue that no one is allowed to put their own personal spin on World War 2, like say a canon where women participate in frontline combat.
This is nonsensical. So a story full of one-dimensional characters would be fine as long as they are all white men?
Guys need to take into account that nonwhite people and women have been playing games starring white dudes since the beginning of video games, so I think one can endure the existence of different character options if it means having more variety and representation.
What gets me, and this is something I was probably guilty of 10 years ago, is people who are always demanding there needs to be a story driven reason for a character to be gay or bi or a woman of colour even, etc. You see something as abnormal, so therefore it's in your face, obnoxious, and 'has nothing to do with the story', 'it's just shoehorned in'.
This is never said about straight white male characters, heterosexual couples, etc. As if one thing is 'normal' and another thing needs to justify itself to even exist.
No character needs a REASON to be gay, the exact same way no character needs a REASON to be straight. There doesn't need to be a REASON a character is black, the same way a character doesn't need a REASON to be white. Gay people exist, black people exist, the world is full of people that aren't straight and white, and they don't need to justify their existence and a writer doesn't need a justification for having a diverse cast of characters! No reason other than, it reflects the real world.
So whenever I see someone saying something has been 'shoehorned' into a game, movie, whatever, a big klaxxon goes off in my head. I know exactly what's going on in their head, exactly how they've been duped, how they haven't really thought things through, how they're on the edge of falling in with the wrong crowd and listening to a lot of bad rhetoric, because it's a trap I could very easily have fallen into myself.
Reminds me of a video made by extra credits that does support politics being in games as it express diffirent prespectives of the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryz_lA3Dn4c
Not to pick apart your argument but the last bit, with the Mom/Daughter thing completely trivializes the sheer bullshit the original teams went through and also removes some incredibly interesting survivalist elements that could've been toyed with.
I wouldn't say that DICE's inclusion of women is bad, but that its pandering and lazy which is often worse than a lack of inclusion because it tends to baby. It also doesn't magically remove the argument over the characters being 1 Dimensional. They're 1 Dimensional. That's just bad writing, period.
Movies need to stop being political
Books need to stop being political
Television needs to stop being political.
Facepunch needs to stop being political
Reddit needs to stop being political
Music needs to stop being political
Politics needs to stop being political
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