Venezuela: How We Learned to Stop Worrying and Trust the Neocons - Videos for the 97.4%

https://youtu.be/MkLC3XyqrEY

Where I live, you have Venezuelans coming in by the droves. They get in the buses and sell candies while they tell you how to they had to flee their country. Maduro wasn't "democratically elected". The whole process was riddled with irregularities, not even their own citizens recognize the process as legitimate. Even the Carter Center kept it's hands away from the shitshow that the 2018 elections were

Look, I agree with a non-interventionist policy in regards to Venezuela, and I assume that will make me unpopular here due to people heavily disagreeing with me when I said that the EU should not declare war on the Ukraine rebels. However, this video has very cherry-picked sources and I don't believe that this is a representative sample of Venezuelan views at all.

Yes, trusting a neo-fascist because he says he's a socialist is definetly "trusting neo-conservatives" People like this need to learn to grow the fuck up and look at the bigger picture for once.

Ohh yeah, Maduro literally created an entire new government body just to say the old, legitimate and constitutionally valid one didn't have authority over him. He then said his opposition couldn't run in the new government body. Lets buzz a couple of the Venezuelan FP users in here though, I love seeing them smack down bullshit about their country. @fnox @Gazhelmet

The same people decrying imperialism welcomed Russian and Chinese support of the Venezuelan government for decades on end. The same people claiming that Maduro was democratically elected turned away when the fucking company that makes the voting machines the CNE uses said they detected large scale fraud being committed to elect the Constituent Assembly. They said nothing of the CNE blocking a recall referendum, they said nothing of the CNE denying indigenous representation just to block the opposition supermajority, they said nothing of police torturing students, some of which I actually studied with at the UCV. They turned a blind eye to this all until their Twitter feed told them what to say. Tankies are a joke and their infantilization of Latin Americans is ridiculous. We don't fucking need you to tell us what's good and what's bad, we were the ones getting fucked by Maduro while you sat on your ass, comfortable in your middle class American suburban home, while we were forced to run and abandon our entire fucking lives to try and make something out of nothing abroad. We don't need you to tell us what our country is like, we saw it, we felt it, we remember. And if you cunts wanna say that we're privileged because we speak English, how about you make the effort to learn some Spanish and hear what real Venezuelans are saying about Maduro on Twitter? I have nothing to say to Anglo-speaking Maduro supporters, other than I wish I could swap you out and give your comfortable suburban life to a Venezuelan that deserves it, while you go eat shit in a hill of Caracas for while.

Neo-fascism? = Socialism? = Far-fetch comparison I really don't get that conclusion, other than you unintentionally describing him as literal National Socialist/Neo-Nazi , just because his recent acts are definitely more authoritative than his predecessor. And besides, he not only one (technically and supposedly) in South America right now by his neighbor from the Southeastern border, who is closely ideologically Fascist and literally publicly pro-dictator than him and he may making this road in the future. watch that tone, especially sounded extra unironic from you, [by having furry manchild lifestyle].

...What?

Your final words, "grow the fuck up" is comes out as ironic nor hypocritical from a non-political view for me.

I want Maduro out, but I don't want the US in.

This post is really important. Im in a ton of online leftist circles, from anarchists, syndicalists, tankies, etc, all of em are maduro supporters and decry US imperialism. I myself did buy into it for a bit, but this is a good thing to hear. I still think the idea of the US getting involved is horrendus, but that doesnt mean maduro is good.

I think [Seed Eater] learned lesson a couple years ago.

can you explain this post? what do you mean?

He was like SH's card carrying Socialist and used to buy into the whole narrative of South American dictators fighting Western imperialists, but gradually came to see that things aren't that simple.

I mean to be fair the united states has dicked south america for like 80+ years tho Dictators are always bad, but still.

I want to go back in time and slap whoever came up with "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." There'd be a lot of less evil in the world if people didn't have a natural tendency to go "This Evil von Childmolester guy hates x? I hate x! He must be the Messiah!"

Lemme get this straight. You want john fucking bolton, donald trump, and the american military industrial complex to come in to foreign soil and invade a country that is already on the brink of destruction? You trust them not to just install there own dictator who will privatize their oil? Fuck the united imperialist states of america, just leave the goddamn country and its resources alone. Provide aid and thats all. except that they also love to sneak weapons in with their aid to start coups.... so maybe do nothing.

It doesnt matter who is in charge of the USA, they are all beholden to military industrial complex. Besides, the people deserve a popular goverment and the ability to keep their own natural resources for themselves, im not gonna support a US dictator just cause PRC or russia is likely to support one. The best thing we can do is accept refugees and leave it be. They dont want us. If I recall right the recent trending hashtag there was #yankeegohome after the US was rumored to be shipping weapons with aid.

Then you should've supported the dozen or so attempts in the last 6 years from the opposition to try and get an actual democratic transition. We are out of options because everybody ignored us. So, for those who were wondering what I meant by infantilization, this is it. Some American leftists thinks that the reason why I am not against US assistance is because I'm "confused", that I just don't understand the geopolitical situation surrounding this, that I don't know the history of US intervention in Latin America, that I haven't heard of Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Nicaragua, Panama. I want you to understand, I know what the US wants, I know what they're about. The problem is, my choices are as follows, I either take a chance, and back the people who could lead to a change, which would result in the possibility of improvement, or I let things lie. In the last 6 years, Venezuela has been driven back 30 years in development. You don't understand the urgency behind regime change in Venezuela because you've never experienced (and you never will experience) what it is like for your entire society to be driven to a total standstill due to incompetence and corruption. What do you think Western Leftists did for us? Let me just ask you this, did anyone in the international left assist the internal opposition to Maduro's regime? Did anybody give a shit? Did Jeremy Corbyn care when the opposition students were getting tortured and arrested for dissenting the government? Did Bernie Sanders? Did anyone in the Democratic party? Did a single socialist do fucking anything to assist a democracy in peril? When you heard of food shortages, which you may think were caused by the US, did anybody bother to try and get aid in? Did any charitities participate? Did any of these poltiicians organize fundraisers or food donations? We were forgotten, ignored, and diminished by useful idiots such as yourself. You parroting misinformation that comes straight from the dictatorship running Venezuela harms Venezuelans. If there's someone I would like to stay out, it is ignorant fucking leftists who have provided no solutions, only obstacles. I don't give a shit where in the spectrum you're from, but if you have a modicum of rationality behind your belief you can read up on a situation before deciding to back a murderous, corrupt, ruinous dictatorship.

Being in a ton of online leftist circles, I've noticed that they play the team game a lot and will support something something because it calls itself "socialism" without applying much critical thinking to why. I think the reality is that a country like Venezuela turns into this weird definitely not socialist regime thanks to forces I'm way out of my depth trying to understand, then becomes a stick for neoliberals in to beat socialists with while actual real harm is happening to real people I've never met in a land very far away from my twitter feed. I'm largely onboard with what's said in the online left, but the team game is something I find incredibly common and grating. I feel like this is just another instance of it.

oh yeah absolutely, they are just as much an online echo chamber as the right. Confirmation bias and team behavior runs wild. Still their stances on capitalism are usually admirable and they are good as antifa.

That someone post, not actually yours. Which is really your citizens? Or both ‘citizens’ and your nation’s Oil reverse. This sentence is fine by me. And I want just let the UN military to helping your country to recover rather than the US military to the assistance, especially have an oblivious horrid incompetent businessmen for a president. I want to understand, but as long the US’s military industrial complex isn’t ruining every country like yours, then your country could survive in post-Maduro era. But for the final sentence of this paragraph, That some Americans (including me) are definitely experiencing in the post-Recession US, which was like run under influenced from the Oligarchs or Plutocrats over last three decades, and I understand, that you definitely don’t understand the US politics and that’s fine. You gonna know, that not all them are not all ‘Western leftists’ (why treating them as unified umbrella term rather than separating ideologies?) may or not focus on this Crisis. But for Bernie Sanders and Democratic Party examples are now forcing on take part are oblivious reasons, and they do to get your country to recover, but they don’t want military intervention for bloody oblivious reasons. Wow, that bloody cold, and I understand what you want interpreted my posts (or not because of my neurological disability). Which was, and we don’t have English-speaking pro-Maduro Venezuelan news channel to ‘propagate’ from? Okay, then I oblivious getting it what going next and I want to respect your experience. But don’t same talking out throughout your post, and comes out as asshole.

Dude, you sound like an asshole completely dismissing everything he said. He lived in Venezuela, he is far more knowledgable than you about what the problems are, and what it's like on the ground there. For you to basically handwave, and act as if nothing he said was valid, is insulting and you should stop fucking arguing points you clearly don't understand.

I’m entirely try not too and do obliviously accept Venezuela is in a Presidential Crisis right now. But he “accidentally” questioned my views and I guess, I didn’t want to do this. I’m not entirely handwave nothing, and I really want to respect his experience, but his view of thinking the US on ‘helping’ their country, but with Trump or any his predecessors did... I just worry it may coming out equally bad as several times of your country “liberating” some Latin American nations, will lead consequential results.

He is not giving Carte Blanche to Trump to do whatever they please to his country, he's recognizing the reality of Maduro's tyranny and what will be needed to bring an end to it. And besides that, you seem to be ignoring the opinions and contributions of almost every other Latin American country, the European community, and every other nation that recognizes Guiado and stands against Maduro's regime. More than that, this terror of an American invasion is unreasonable given that any congressional approval for invasion or attack is unlikely, and that his base still trends more towards isolationism than they do neoconservative jingoism.

The first paragraph of your post is not problem. But the Republican Party’s politicans and later their loyal supporters – if propagated – will may do changing their mind if Trump’s current military advisor John Bolton –which he was Bush’s advisor and diplomat that have history of wanting pro-invasions of countries that ‘harm’ the US– want toying on Trump’s International policies, and if he did make Trump to unconstitutionally want to invade Venezuela out of Oil instead of the citizens. I maybe right of being worry, but thankfully for now, only Democrats and Sanders make this clear they only recognize Guiado as interim president and no military intervention aloud.

Bots and foreigners, in short.

So what is it really like there in your view? Surely the population doesnt want a US invasion right?

I can't really speak for everyone (I just know about the twitter bots because it was noticeable). But everyone in this household wouldn't mind it and talk about it pretty much every single time there's news about the latest awful shit the VE govt has done. They're sick of everything, but they also don't really realize the potential for it to go wrong. It'll either happen or wont regardless of my opinion which is ambivalent (because I've given up on almost everything) but would rather get rid of maduro. But If it does happen I am concerned about the political consequences in the US but not about what happens to cubans, russians (not the civilians). Spoilered because of nonsense but I wouldn't be surprised that if nobody does anything Mr. Nick Ripe would get funny ideas about buying shroom cloud seeds for his walled garden after all of this. Just in case.