doesn't really matter because they need 67 and 290 votes to actually do something because of the fucked up law that trump's using
You right, you real right. This is still better than the alternative, where the Senate sits around sucking their thumbs instead.
It's nice to see the GOP starting to turn on Trump, at least. The rats are abandoning the Titanic
My impotent anger is boiling over.
Even if Trump vetoes it, this is an important moment: Republicans are starting to sour on Trump and Mitch McConnell is incapable of guaranteeing Trump votes. His demands are becoming more selfish and it's becoming more and more apparent to the non-cultist Republican voter and politician that with every desperate dodge around checks and balances Trump slides further into his true desired role, unilateral tyrant. The cost of supporting the fascist is mounting.
It's not the end of the nightmare, but it's the next step, following the midterms, towards the end.
Trump made and is using a wedge to divide his own party.
The idiot thinks this is a winning election issue for him. He will not be able to restrain himself from attacking GOP senators that refuse to indulge his authoritarian bullshit. He's unwittingly going to give senators an out for backing impeachment when that inevitably comes up.
This could conceivably be the only time Trump ever uses the veto, because McConnell usually won't hold a vote on anything without his support, but because of the way the National Emergencies Act works, McConnell is legally required to hold this vote.
Considering there is legal action pending, do they have to wait for it to be declared legal before he can implement it?
That is a question that would be warranted under any administration before the current one. The question you should be asking is "Will Trump bother waiting?" and the answer is obvious: only if he is talked out of it by being physically restrained and yelled at that doing so will spell automatic inescapable successful impeachment.
Kusher can't assault anyone - he is a boy in a lawyer's costume.
Trump's such a pussy that if Kushner quickly lifted his milky-boy stick arm and menaced Trump with it violently enough he'd probably cower and scream like a girl for the Secret Service to come in and shoot him.
We're not talking about Kushner's physical combat potential against anyone actually competent or healthy, only the timid creampuff in chief President One Pound Less Than Obese.
no its not. Symbolic gestures are pointless today, only might makes right in our politics as long as mitch mcconnell is in charge of the senate and the freedom caucus runs the minority in the house
Trump will see this defiance as a reason to declare Republican Senators "traitors" and begin to repel the party as a whole. The dominoes will start to fall rapidly as Trump's adversarial stance increasingly turns towards his own party. Nixon was a slow boil that suddenly reached the point just before explosion when Tricky Dick cancelled the detonation by resigning before he could be blown out of the seat. Nixon was smart enough to not antagonize his own party in public.
Republican senators will not stand up for being treated the way Trump treated Jeff Sessions for having "betrayed" him by recusing himself from the Russia investigation. Sessions was employed at Trump's discretion and could've been fired at any moment (and probably came very close multiple times before Trump was talked out of it by advisors), so he had to be a submissive bitch, but senators are co-equal with the President and are elected to lead their constituents.
Mitch can't be confident that he can whip the Senate vote anymore. A successful veto override is not out of the question -- remember that many Republicans are disgusted with Trump in private but keep a pleasant MAGA face on to avoid antagonizing their cultist voter base, which they are dependent on, for no reason. There are not enough Republican senators who have publicly pledged to support a veto override to say for sure that it will happen if Trump vetoes Congress over his national emergency, but we also thought there was a very credible chance that the ACA repeal was going to happen until John McCain gave his late-night thumbs-down and stunned his colleagues.
If there are red senators planning to defect in a veto override, they'd be crazy to announce their plans to rebel against the President-dictator so soon without a specific plan to benefit from this rebel status. Rand Paul has a reputation for being an independent shooter who bucks his own party when they aren't libertarian enough, so he's sacrificing little by doing what he's known for another time.
This isn't a decisive victory for the good guys and everyone lives happily ever after, but if you were expecting a deus ex machina like that you have not beein paying attention to... anything. Learn to claim the small victories instead of being bitter that they weren't overwhelming dominations. That's literally a Trump thing to do.
I can see Trump damning individual Republicans but I cannot see him rebuking the entire party.
He needs to keep the Republican name behind him, because he's still a party of the party his base identifies with. But he doesn't need the individuals in the party. He can pick people off one by one because to his followers, he is the Republican party.
I'm not so sure. I'm starting to think Trump thinks he's so awesome that he might be able to convince himself he doesn't even need the Republicans anymore because all his 'real supporters' are Ride or Die for him already.
I'm going to stop you at the first sentence, no it won't because they'll toss their hands up and say 'oh well we told you this wouldn't work' then proceed to blame the democrats.
Until there is a precipitous drop in his approval among republicans they will put up with whatever he does.
Trump could leave the Republican Party and take his voter base with him, splitting the right vote and ensuring Democrat sweeps, at any moment. That's specifically why Republicans have let him take over the party -- he controls the voter mindshare now, so GOP politicians have to bite back their distaste and let him dip his nuts in their mouth every so often. In effect Trump has cucked the GOP, and I mean this in a very literal and unironic non-memey-shitpost sense; he and his cult of personality control the voter base and his selfish need for positive attention leads him to periodically humiliate congressional/state Repubs, individually or collectively, which they tolerate because they're not ready to be roasted and ostracized by the President.
Trump needs the Party less than the Party needs Trump, at this point. It would be very inconvenient for Trump to have to form a new political party and shift all of the graft and legalized corporate bribery to the new mailing address, but fortunately for him, he doesn't even need to threaten to do it because Republicans are assuming the position voluntarily in fear he'll talk shit about them on Twitter.
Yeah, he could.
But he won't.
It's an outlandish "what if".
Yes, and this President is so outlandish that the entire comedy industry has found difficulty in making parody that is more outlandish than this President.
its not that I didn't read your post or consider it but Trump's base is all the GOP have left, they lost the suburbs in 2018, they've lost the cities, they're loosing the rust belt, so they need the maga, evangelicals and far right who have found their king under trump. They need him more than he needs them, the same was true with Nixon, even though nixon won the WH, his massive success didn't translate to congressional victory with the democrats continually picking up seats and then having a blowout midterm where the gop was almost eliminated from congress, but they still stuck to him until the evidence against him was too much for even Nixon's base to ignore
Clearly not, because there's enough of them in the Senate defecting that the Senate can pass a bill overriding and cancelling his stupid national 'emergency' bullshit. And even if he does veto it, the mere fact that Congress put it on his desk at all will send a clear message to him, not to mention infuriate him and make him spew a shitstorm on Twitter over it.
What's funny is that's about all he can do about it. He can't fire Senators, he can't fire House Reps. His only recourse is to veto it....likely in red crayon by angrily scribbling the word 'VETO' all over the bill instead of actually signing a veto on it properly...and then moan about the betrayal on Twitter. And he knows it. And that makes it all the more important for the Senate to pass this bill. Pissing him off and snubbing him like this is what he deserves, what he needs.
circling back to the beginning of this thread, while mcconnell acts like a trump veto is the end of the world, its not. Trump will veto it then move on, just like he shut down the government and moved on.
Doesn't matter what his base cares about. His base doesn't pass bills, his base doesn't pay for stupid border walls. Congress does. And Congress snubbing him like that is going to shatter his fragile little ego.
I bet we'll get at witter shitstorm just because the possibility of the bill reaching his desk is real, nevermind it actually being in front of him. If he does get the bill he will be FURIOUS. and utterly powerless.
Plus, his base isn't big enough to carry him in 2020. He got where he is in part because Clinton didn't campaign in the rust belt, in part because Uncle Vladdy had some shitposts made on Facebook and Twitter, and in part because tribalism in American politics is a huge problem. While rather alarmingly large, his base isn't large enough to carry him into a second term and he knows he. He needs the moderate right to vote for him in droves and that's increasingly unlikely the more he pisses them off.
IT's actually in his best interest to sign the bill into law, but of course he would be admitting he made a mistake by doing so, so he won't do it. He'll instead rage and shout like the geriatric toddler he is...
His base alone isn't enough to win him an election and doubling down on the same strategy will lose him the election, I think its worthwhile to do a 51 vote even if it gets veto'd.
he doesn't know his base isn't big enough. In Trump's mind he's got pennsylvania, wisconsin and Minnesota all wrapped up again. At what point in this 3+ year shitshow has he shown an ounce of consideration for those outside his base? the emperor has no pants and the gop have all turned a blind eye because his base still gets them elected in the south and midwest, even if they don't have it on paper to win in 2020 alone, it doesn't matter because his base will elect senators and house seats that the democrats can't challenge
"this will finally end trump" says increasingly nervous man for the 10000th time
Only if a judge issues an injunction, I don't think that's happened yet
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