Arkansas Senator Stephanie Flowers (D-AK) debating the "Stand Your Ground" Bill - Videos for the 97.4%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbi9JcNS4PY This video is a couple days old now but I haven't seen anyone post it. We need more passionate debates from people who are willing to call out bullshit.

I think she goes a bit too much of a step above "passionate"

If someone is unwilling to change their views on this subject, they can blame it on anything, it doesn't matter how passionate or not she expresses it.

This is a defeatist argument.

Appeal to reality more like. People should feel emotion about the effects of this. Turns out people get emotional when talking about things that actually matter and affect them. I'm tired of this no emotion = correct BS. She's completely right.

I looked into the law more, and yeah, she's completely right.

I'm not sure about the specifics of the Arkansas bill, but if faced with some unprovoked severe threat and given the option of ending it immediately or turning my back to it, I don't think I would bother retreating. The problem with stand your ground seems to be with unequal application in racist states rather than the principle of the law.

I just had a talk with my roommate and he cleared some things up for me. I think stand your ground laws are a good thing. People have gotten killed and gone to jail for killing in self defense because of places where stand your ground laws didn't exist, and it's incredibly expensive to fight homicide cases. Lots of people die and get raped because of the requirement to run away, which is not the right thing to do in any situation where stand your ground laws will get you cleared for shooting someone. This is the problem with Flower's talk is that it didn't do anything to inform anyone. I back up my statement that she wasn't convincing. She didn't state any facts and she didn't cite any statistics. She didn't make any quantitative or qualitative statements. And her spiel about racism is wrong because stand your ground laws protect black people too.

On paper, sure. In the real world where we live? hahahaha

so then no one should have protection? That’s the solution?? instead of working so that it’s applied equally?

This, but don't pretend that it's already equal

This is the classic: I have no argument, therefore I must rely on some emotional spiel. SYG does not give you some god-given right to cap some person. Almost all SYG's have a clauses regarding escalation, and effectively state that you only may kill another person in a SYG case if your life is being threatened by something of equal or greater force. If you escalate for example in a fist fight, you will be charged with a felony for brandishing a weapon during a fight. What SYG does is makes it so you have no duty to retreat while protecting your property and your own life. If for whatever reason you decided to go full retard and involve yourself in someone else's property and/or life, that's your own damn fault.

THIS is classic. The good old, someone had an emotion, therefore their argument is invalid, because everyone is treated equally, racism is over, etc

Although there are cases like Tamir Rice, someone thought a 12 year old had a gun. Or when Philando Castle had a gun and communicated to the police officer that pulled him over that he was reaching for his ID. Or cases like John Crawford, where he happened to be holding a unloaded gun inside a walmart

Your arguement is usually invalidated the second you go emotional. It shows a lack of control or well being with an individual in mos cases. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we call it "flamming" here.

Regardless of how emotional Sen. Flowers got during her speech, her points are still valid

It depends on HOW you get emotional. For example, Blasey-Ford's testimony was controlled, emotive and effective whereas Kavanaugh's was way over the top and weakened any substance there was to his arguments.

not for everybody

That's just on the internet. In real life, things matter and have stakes. Being emotional doesn't invalidate your argument.