Lmfao. Daily visits from a pastor and they complain about an Imam teachings kids about his faith.
Just wow
I think a lot of people have only been exposed to Imams through news stories of bearded middle-easterns shouting angrily in arabic inciting people to commit religious violence, without realising that they're just as varied a bunch as christian priests. Some are awful human beings, some are the kindest you'll ever meet.
Their logic usually amounts to "duhh thing different, me no like different thing." and that's it.
People don't want foreign ideologies and concepts taught to their youth. If it were a pastor preaching to youth that normally see an Imam, people wouldn't bat an eye to remove them.
I would simply suggest not letting anybody preach to people too young to form their own opinions on things.
I hear pastor is delicious. We need more pastor in the cafeteria.
This only applies to people who view religious teaching as indoctrination, not genuinely feeding a young person's knowledge, interest, and awareness in religions they will encounter in life beyond simply their local dominant flavour and form factor.
I would argue people should just live their lives and not waste valuable time pursuing such things. Knowing about what other peoples imaginary friends dictate what people should do is useless information in comparison to all the other things you could be investing your time into teaching to the youth.
On either side, it's just a petty attempt for people to keep their backwards un-evolved view of the world alive and that kind of thing needs to be abolished.
The Protestant kindergarten announced the pilot project last week,
saying it aimed to teach children about different faiths and complement
the regular visits they already had from a pastor.
Hartmut Wölk, the pastor behind the initiative, told German media he received dozens
of abusive messages accusing him of being a "renegade," an "anti-Christ"
and of "paving the way for Sharia law in Germany."
"At kindergarten, children can learn, in a playful way, essential
values such as tolerance, respect and fairness, which strengthen our
social life," the minister said.
The kindergarten in question, located in the Reisholz district, was deliberately selected for the
project. Of the 41 children who attend, nearly half have a Muslim background.
Not only the kindergarten already had a pastor ( because is a religious kindergarten ), but also almost the half of the kids already are muslims and it is for teaching points in common with other religions and educational stuff.
The ones behind these messages ( which I'm sure at least some of them must be parents ) should be ashamed to no end.
No, that's pasta. A pastor is a field where livestock grazes.
No, that's a thing you put on a wall. A pastor is one of those things you roll glue with.
Genuine question - why is he getting banned for this? I disagree with his view point, but really? 7 days for expressing an immature opinion? What is "Trolling with ratings"?
He rated a post diamond about a 3 year old getting killed at the Christchurch Mosque.
The ban only went to this post because the mod chose his last post to apply it.
yikes
Yeah I agree with the pastor on this one, it might be seen as a bit heretical of him to encourage an Imam to teach the children about religion but again it's important for fact of religious openness and it allows the children to learn and understand different religious beliefs.
As much as I think Sharia law is archaic and brutal, so long as it's not being practiced in an extreme view (i.e. punishments involved lashes, stoning + limbs being hacked off as well as imposing sharia to everybody irrespective of their religious views) then it should be allowed as it's not being done in a way that is destructive to community.
How about we don't teach kids in general about any kind of religious ideology
Teaching about the religion is different from telling kids that the religion is true. I think understanding other beliefs is important. I think it's pretty clear that the people sending in the letters don't understand Islam.
I'm not sure what it's like in Sweden, but over here in the U.K we have Religious Education classes (which are about teaching you about all of the different faiths, not just preaching to you a specific faith) and even as an atheist, as a kid I found Religious Education rather informative and enlightening.
It helped me understand the various faiths and their belief systems.
I agree but the article in question is just some parents being selective about their children's religious indoctrination.
Besides the Imam was probably just teaching them about other religions and cultures, which is a good thing. (he was there once)
Why not? It's a good way to make people more understanding and tolerable of others world views and traditions.
It's an important part of history and culture. Why would you pretend as if it doesn't exist?
Look, you tell a kid a fairy tale about dragons & unicorns and they're gonna think that's true. That's fine and dandy, since sane adults can inform the kids that these things are not real, but religion is ideology - it's prelevant all over the world, and billions of people believe in it.
I'm not saying people should never be taught about religion, I'm specifically saying kids. As in, children under the age of ~10. Kindergarten is way too early to be hit with the philosophies of where we came from and where we're going, not to mention religion is a fantasy world reinforced by adults. It's unhealthy indoctrination. Older kids, fine, kindergartners? No. Come on.
As I said, it doesn't matter how you tell it - kids are kids, you tell them a story and they'll think it's real. The only option to teach them about religion in this case is to tell them "This is not real", which goes against the idea of ideology, and there ain't a priest, imam or rabbi out there who's gonna go for that approach anyway.
Which brings me furthermore: If you want teachers of religion, they should not be OF that religion. Teachers should be unbiased.
Yes, kids think a lot of stories are real. However, you still have adults that believe in santa.
Religion is not like being taught that the tooth fairy or santa doesn't exist, as you said, but that's exactly why they need to learn early on.
Kids have parents. Kids have other adults in their lives that preach about their way of living.
Which is why teaching kids about other ways of living as early as possible is great. That means it wont be as foreign when they grow up.
They wont have biases that the adults in their lives have taught them, because they've met muslims. They've met atheists and christians.
Keeping kids isolated from the world is what makes isolated adults. That only want to live in a fantasy world set up by their parents and/or other adults around them.
Excuse me but what? Where on Earth have you ran into adults who still believe in Santa? And even so, that is null to my argument - because whatever demographic there is of adults who still believe in Santa, it is dwarfed in comparison to the demographic that beliefes in one or more deities.
Exactly - the only way to approach religion as a taught matter is that "some people believe this", but mixing that in with kindergartners who are already preoccupied with fairies, santa, unicorns & dragons that's gonna make a whole lot of things very complicated.
Hence why I'm not saying that kids shouldn't be religion, I'm saying they shouldn't be taught religion in KINDERGARTEN. That's it. That's way too early to introduce this kind of stuff. And furthermore, if they are to learn religion they should do so by an unbiased tutor. A rabbi shouldn't teach them Judaism, an imam should not teach them Islam, and a priest should not teach them Christianity.
Good luck finding someone purely unbiased about religion.
I really see nothing wrong with an Imam teaching children about his faith for a day, from his own religious perspective.
... you're acting as if atheists/agnostics are a rare breed
there are atheists who (quite ironically) take a militant stance with their position, cursing others even if they do no wrong
I just think any religious education on someone that young is going to end up having a negative/coercive effect whether intentional or not. You bring up the concept of divine punishment and reward (fear) and the child is then told that adults genuinely believe in it, the same big, responsible adults that they've been absorbing mannerisms and ethics from since they were born like a sponge.
Once they get closer to ten years old sure, they can agree or disagree based on their own reasoning, but not preschoolers as demeaning as that sounds.
Not that the people sending in hate mail have this viewpoint, there it's no doubt just "brown person scary".
That is still a bias.
... no? At least not necessarily. As been said, yeah, there can be militant atheists but nonetheless I'd rather a militant atheist taught my child about religions as opposed to a religious scholar who will undoubtedly try to push in one way or another that their faith is real and the "true" religion. No imam is gonna vouch for Christianity, no rabbi is gonna vouch for Islam, no priest is gonna vouch for Judaism. An atheist on the other hand would likely treat every religion like the fairytale it is and thus be indiscriminate towards which ideology is "real".
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